ESP P3A Layout

[xrk971]

Looks good - you work fast! Must have a tub of etchant always waiting to go 🙂

 

[cucicu]

thanks
somebody can explain why q9 must be in contact with drivers?

 

[Bigun]

thanks
somebody can explain why q9 must be in contact with drivers?

It may be sufficient that they are both at the same ambient temperature if the amp is being used for reasonable home listening. I prefer to have them in contact.

The issue is that the bias current through the drivers causes the drivers to warm up - simple heat dissipation. And when bipolar transistors heat up the bias current increases because of the physics of how they operate. The drivers control the bias current through the output power devices and they draw a lot of current. This increase in current causes more heating - and so it's a death spiral that ends in smoke!

The bias generator, Q9, is in a circuit that is designed to control the bias current through the drivers and it is designed so that an increase in temperature of Q9 produces a fall in bias current through the output. So by placing Q9 in contact with the drivers you create a thermal control over the bias current.

 

[Ian Finch]

Simply, the output stage of P3a is a CFP (complementary feedback pair) design. With this type of power amplifier design, the temperature variation of the drivers provides the correct thermal reference for controlling bias, not that of the output transistors which usually results in thermal runaway or just an unstable bias level as power levels change.

The output transistors work fine as a temperature reference with more common and typical Emitter Follower output stages. That's why people confuse the reqirements for stable performance of CFP types. There are plenty of texts and web references to search on the 2 output stage design types.

 

[cucicu]

hi guys, can anybody explain how much is the bias for dx amp?
do i have (adjusting the trimmer) read the voltage across the 2 emitter resistors or simply across the 100ohm rail (instead of fuses) RESISTORS?
regards

 

[Bigun]

you're in the wrong thread for DX my friend ! - for EF output you want around 25mV across the emitter resistor of each output device usually better to be slightly higher - aiming for 55mV across the 2 emitter resistors usually is good. Best wait for the amp to reach normal working temperature too and trim the dc-offset first.