John, what information does that give you that's not already present in the impedance curve? How does that relate to noise (the principal claims)?
I mentioned superconductor material, I did not state super conductive...big difference.
I have said it too gently previously so I will be more forthright this time - FORGET ABOUT THE BS CLAIMS AND EXPLANATIONS, let's just get on with working out how to measure what QP's are claimed to do.
I asked if anybody had any ideas on softwares that could record and analyze long term LF noise and got met with conspicuous silence.
If QP does reduce LF noise then this is where we should be looking, and all hands on deck.
Who here is man enough to man the pumps ?. Those who are not should walk the plank.
Eric.
I have said it too gently previously so I will be more forthright this time - FORGET ABOUT THE BS CLAIMS AND EXPLANATIONS, let's just get on with working out how to measure what QP's are claimed to do.
I asked if anybody had any ideas on softwares that could record and analyze long term LF noise and got met with conspicuous silence.
If QP does reduce LF noise then this is where we should be looking, and all hands on deck.
Who here is man enough to man the pumps ?. Those who are not should walk the plank.
Eric.
It's already been done. No difference in low frequency 1/f noise from a 50 cent resistor.
The claims and explanations are indeed utter BS. We agree on that. One can't measure the effect of false claims.
The claims and explanations are indeed utter BS. We agree on that. One can't measure the effect of false claims.
Talking Turkey...
Could you elaborate please, and give more detail on the 'nulling' setup you propose.
Regards, Eric.
Hi John, you mentioned this earlier and offered advice on how to create 'perfect' resistors.
Could you elaborate please, and give more detail on the 'nulling' setup you propose.
Regards, Eric.
The claim was removal of the noise in the signal (with electron sorting or some such). Pretty easy to test with a source and sound card. I think most soundcards go down low enough to do the job. If need be there are usb data loggers that go to DC. Just tell your soundcard it's 44100 and do the frequency translation afterwards.
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Absorbtion of noise invokes a voltage drop. If quantum noise has been dissipated as per the bybee website, there will be a voltage drop as a result of that dissipative loss. That will be seen in an I/V plot of the device.
Hypothetical:
I have been given two: two terminal devices. Externally, they both measure 25 milliohms end to end. One is a bybee.
How do I determine difference?
I would drive them from the same voltage source, through identical lengths of wire, say 10 foot zip, into identical 4 ohm loads.
Any difference between the v drops requires investigation. If the difference is null 20 to 20K sine, the devices are identical for audio bw sines.
Then, put music into the amp, preferably from a ttable. If there is still no difference despite a noisy source, the devices are no different..
Cheers, John
That's how the impedance was measured (8R test resistor, not 4). Not only no difference, the Z was flat to 40k. In series with a noise source (the second part of your post), null difference down to 8Hz, with or without signal averaging.
It's a resistor.
Seems like the only "resistance" acceptable to the few claiming effects is resistance to accept that this is all a ruse designed to line pockets with cash... 😉
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The only test schematic I have seen was the MB stuff, so I cannot make statements regarding your setup.
Yes, I agree it is a resistor. It is in parallel with some gobbltygoop, and the claims are that that "stuff" somehow works better than Maxwells demon. So, if you believe that I accept the device's operation as marketed, you know me better.. You also know that I can be the devil's advocate.
Now. If I were to test a resistor at any stimulus from DC to 1 gHz, I would worry about a few things.
1. What is the current path within the device. To wit, is this resistor a helix or a bifilar? They act differently at frequency.
2. How does the DC resistance of the unit compare to the inductive reactance the device will have when subjected to currents. Is the inductive reactance of the device more, less, or comparable to the resistance?
3. When I try to measure the voltage across the unit during high frequency excitation, how do I do this without loop trapping the time rate of change of the external magnetic flux? Or, is it possible to compensate for it?
These things are very important when trying to measure low impedance widgits. I've had to design and make sub nanohenry current viewing resistors to measure magnets for phase shift in the 1 to 10 hz range..
When I see that 4 ohm pic showing the ellipse, I say to myself: yo, dude....you'ze swamped da good stuff with reactive goop and non linear goop, how youze gonna see the ting you lookin fo???
Honestly, I've seen this problem for a decade now. Everybody thinks they can buy an off the shelf power resistor that will produce accurate results across the audio bandwidth. That's a bunch of melarky..
Eric
I'll post the design tomorrow if I can. I'm afraid a physicist toasted the unit I built for him, so I don't know if I can take pictures of it for you. I told em, 1 ampere...1 ohm...1 watt, don't go higher...1 ampere...1 ohm, 1 watt...max..
10 amps
for 5 minutes.
Unattended..
sigh
melted the solder..
The color code is now....black, black, black... with a tolerance band of...you guessed it.....black
Cheers, John
Kind of specialist parts no? Do you have links, I'm curious🙂 Wouldn't the other wiring in the circuit contribute inductance well above this 1nH level, or is that unimportant here?
The current view resistor is what I used as my reference- not at all exotic, easy to buy (Mouser), at least here in the US, and pretty cheap.
I am testing the device's claims. There's nothing on their website about gigahertz.
Within the audio band to two octaves beyond, the impedance is flat.
It's a resistor.
edit: With steel leads (rather than the claimed copper), it would be expected to be noticeably inductive at very high (hundreds of megahertz) frequencies, just like any other component with steel leads.
Within the audio band to two octaves beyond, the impedance is flat.
It's a resistor.
edit: With steel leads (rather than the claimed copper), it would be expected to be noticeably inductive at very high (hundreds of megahertz) frequencies, just like any other component with steel leads.
Just for the record - what was the answer? AFAIR you had devised a "very clever" way of testing for "electron velocity". So what had this to do with the claims??
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