Does anyone has any experience with tweeters of this Italian manufacturer? Maybe someone made a speaker with them,heard one,or measured one?
I heard that all their drivers are high quality made. I'm particulary interested in HT-262 and HT-264. Can someone compare it to some other tweeter (Vifa,Peerless,Seas,Visaton,Monacor)
thanks in advance
I heard that all their drivers are high quality made. I'm particulary interested in HT-262 and HT-264. Can someone compare it to some other tweeter (Vifa,Peerless,Seas,Visaton,Monacor)
thanks in advance
Their tweeters are of medium quality, except of a bullet of some 100+dB which is truly exceptional for some (Pro) applications. They are most transcriptions of other drivers – no know-how behind, though their woofer line is really good.
Could you compare their tweeters to some other manufacturer? Is medium quality something like mediium class models from Vifa,Seas or is it lower?
Hi,
don't know where this medium quality prejudice comes from.
Some of their stuff is ok, some is very good.
Never tried their tweeters, but the cone drivers (mid and bass) are quite ok, good price/performance ratio.
I've heard quite often that Ciare products are ripoffs, but never saw a proof...
So take everything you hear with a grain of salt, if the price is ok for you, try them,
at least their published spec's are real, so you mostly know what you get.
regards
Michael
don't know where this medium quality prejudice comes from.
Some of their stuff is ok, some is very good.
Never tried their tweeters, but the cone drivers (mid and bass) are quite ok, good price/performance ratio.
I've heard quite often that Ciare products are ripoffs, but never saw a proof...
So take everything you hear with a grain of salt, if the price is ok for you, try them,
at least their published spec's are real, so you mostly know what you get.
regards
Michael
Vifa and Seas tweeters in the same price category seem to me of better quality. Ciare struggles to produce decent tweeters – eventually they will, but they have not yet, in my experience.
I already said that their woofers are of good quality, dear atarashi, so there is no prejudice for sure. Furthermore they are exceptional for their price tag.
As for proof about ‘rip-offs’, can you prove that most Chinese products are mostly rip-offs? I bet you can’t, in an objective manner. You have to visit some factory or just speak to a chief mechanical engineer and see how they are working, what they know and if every choice comes from a known necessity or it comes just because it has been done elsewhere. In the other hand, my expressed judgment was perhaps superfluous;-)
Regards,
Thalis
I already said that their woofers are of good quality, dear atarashi, so there is no prejudice for sure. Furthermore they are exceptional for their price tag.
As for proof about ‘rip-offs’, can you prove that most Chinese products are mostly rip-offs? I bet you can’t, in an objective manner. You have to visit some factory or just speak to a chief mechanical engineer and see how they are working, what they know and if every choice comes from a known necessity or it comes just because it has been done elsewhere. In the other hand, my expressed judgment was perhaps superfluous;-)
Regards,
Thalis
I'm sure that this one could be exceptional. It is not in my price range. I'm looking for somethin up to 50 euro per unit. I think i'll try HT 264. Has omeone maybe used Monacor DT28N and can compare it to HT 262 or 264?
Thanks
Thanks
Reading the comparison test is entertaining. Blue Note got best results of all speakers.Most interesting are results in treble region where Bluenote also got best results, even better that Spendors which have Scanspeak unit. Salas,thanks for info. I always liked LS3/5A so this review is precious.
Hi Thalis,
sorry for beeing a bit rude, but a lot of People keep on bashing Ciare, yet most of them never heard a Ciare driver ;-)
Btw. I don't have that much expirience with their Tweeters, mostly use their Midranges and Woofers. The 1" compression Driver is ok, but no match to the very nice BMS Drivers.
I've allready talked to one of the Ciare Guys, and somehow they seem to know what they are doing.
So it seems after all we agree, Tweeters ok, but the rest is better ;-)
Regards
Michael
sorry for beeing a bit rude, but a lot of People keep on bashing Ciare, yet most of them never heard a Ciare driver ;-)
Btw. I don't have that much expirience with their Tweeters, mostly use their Midranges and Woofers. The 1" compression Driver is ok, but no match to the very nice BMS Drivers.
I've allready talked to one of the Ciare Guys, and somehow they seem to know what they are doing.
So it seems after all we agree, Tweeters ok, but the rest is better ;-)
Regards
Michael
I had success with Ciare HX132 see here
For that bipole they had a driver that could give real bass and take power. Not Fostex like analysis, but they covered 2 ailing points of fullrangers with little to concede. See the point?
In my view Ciare stuff is expansive in choice, and a good cook can think of many plates if he has a good inventory.
Ciare has a workhorse line everywhere. In pro audio they are widely used aswell. Very reliable for tough use also.
On the other hand I think that Thalis tried to point out that good enough differs from exceptional.
My feeling when using Ciare is that I can always find that or this parameter that I am looking for, thanks guys for having an expansive range. But I never got the satisfaction that I have state of the art in my hands.
Real world company for real world speakers with much to give. Not a single statement driver ever, though.
For that bipole they had a driver that could give real bass and take power. Not Fostex like analysis, but they covered 2 ailing points of fullrangers with little to concede. See the point?
In my view Ciare stuff is expansive in choice, and a good cook can think of many plates if he has a good inventory.
Ciare has a workhorse line everywhere. In pro audio they are widely used aswell. Very reliable for tough use also.
On the other hand I think that Thalis tried to point out that good enough differs from exceptional.
My feeling when using Ciare is that I can always find that or this parameter that I am looking for, thanks guys for having an expansive range. But I never got the satisfaction that I have state of the art in my hands.
Real world company for real world speakers with much to give. Not a single statement driver ever, though.
Hi Salas,
ok, i think we do agree, they are reliable workhorses, and they have a vast range of drivers.
Sure, not SOTA, but the price is also not up there (how much do they ask for those accuton tweeters?).
Yet IMHO they are good sounding, but that also depends a lot on your point of view.
And your application, I don't think many Seas Drivers would stand a chance at a live event ;-)
Regards
Michael
ok, i think we do agree, they are reliable workhorses, and they have a vast range of drivers.
Sure, not SOTA, but the price is also not up there (how much do they ask for those accuton tweeters?).
Yet IMHO they are good sounding, but that also depends a lot on your point of view.
And your application, I don't think many Seas Drivers would stand a chance at a live event ;-)
Regards
Michael
interesting, I've listened to monopole with HX132 in a floorstanding box,made according to factory plans and didn't like the sound. It was just like transistor radio. Maybe it didn't use BSC, notch filter or whatever needed to get things right,I don't know. It is H08 project, I don't see any circuit in this speaker,so I guess it could be drastically beter if filtered?
Ok, agreed with everyone and everything ;-)
I have a suspicion though that even my friend Salas would prefer for instance this small tangband (he gave a link) better than the HT262.
Agreed in general, there is a way to use almost every driver out there – every unit has its application where it can sing, this is a rule. I’ve used cheep Tonsil and even Nokia drivers, woofers and tweeters, and you can still design a good loudspeaker with such drivers. But I believe that especially for tweeters, ‘old’ companies in general, having some story in development of cone materials etc. have precedence and perhaps should be examined first from the diyer who wants to build a lifetime loudspeaker and has no will to experiment or to find a special unit for a special job.
Nevertheless, since Salas has experience with the HT and if he insists that he would prefer it over competitive units in this price range, for a general purpose tweeter, go for it.
BTW this new Ciare, the MT320, sure looks interesting 🙂
PS Dear atarashi, I was talking about their PT382 horn tweeter – if crossed with care, it is very interesting.
I have a suspicion though that even my friend Salas would prefer for instance this small tangband (he gave a link) better than the HT262.
Agreed in general, there is a way to use almost every driver out there – every unit has its application where it can sing, this is a rule. I’ve used cheep Tonsil and even Nokia drivers, woofers and tweeters, and you can still design a good loudspeaker with such drivers. But I believe that especially for tweeters, ‘old’ companies in general, having some story in development of cone materials etc. have precedence and perhaps should be examined first from the diyer who wants to build a lifetime loudspeaker and has no will to experiment or to find a special unit for a special job.
Nevertheless, since Salas has experience with the HT and if he insists that he would prefer it over competitive units in this price range, for a general purpose tweeter, go for it.
BTW this new Ciare, the MT320, sure looks interesting 🙂
PS Dear atarashi, I was talking about their PT382 horn tweeter – if crossed with care, it is very interesting.
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