I have an 8-way DSP crossover that I would like to put to use to make a "console" stereo. By this I mean one really wide boxy thing that would house crossover, amplification, and speakers. Dimensions might be something like 6+ feet wide, 2-3 feet deep, 3 feet tall. Signal would be sent via WiFi to the console so no other components will be contained within.
Do any modern examples of the "console stereo system" exist? I could not find any. Is there any reason why this is the case?
It seems that this arrangement could accommodate one or more large sub drivers, plus a midrange and tweeter. Something like the large boxy JBL Everest systems (http://hometheaterreview.com/jbl-project-everest-dd66000-loudspeaker/) with two woofers and a large horn (per channel) might also be a possibility. Or perhaps a large horn loaded or transmission line for the woofer...
Thoughts?
Do any modern examples of the "console stereo system" exist? I could not find any. Is there any reason why this is the case?
It seems that this arrangement could accommodate one or more large sub drivers, plus a midrange and tweeter. Something like the large boxy JBL Everest systems (http://hometheaterreview.com/jbl-project-everest-dd66000-loudspeaker/) with two woofers and a large horn (per channel) might also be a possibility. Or perhaps a large horn loaded or transmission line for the woofer...
Thoughts?
From the old advertisements, I see that from Mono to Stereo...so it must be at the end of the 50s ( old century ) that the concept was slowly forgotten.
Maybe because the brain recognizes that the two sources (the speakers+ boxes) linked together by the piece of furniture produce the famous muddy/indistinct sound. It follows then that also the Old Source- the turntable- suffered a lot from the vibrations induced.
For higher performance it was better to keep everything separate.
Charlie,
You are looking at something like a modernized JBL Paragon.
The plans of this speaker can be found online, and modern drivers can probably be used in there.
It is a 3-way stereo loudspeaker, but does not go really deep.
Regarding stereo sound from a single loudspeakers here is an interesting thread: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/200040-stereophonic-sound-single-loudspeaker.html
You are looking at something like a modernized JBL Paragon.
The plans of this speaker can be found online, and modern drivers can probably be used in there.
It is a 3-way stereo loudspeaker, but does not go really deep.
Regarding stereo sound from a single loudspeakers here is an interesting thread: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/200040-stereophonic-sound-single-loudspeaker.html
Hi,
That is one huge fugly box, and nothing like any typical console,
which are dimensioned pretty much the same as sideboards.
I can't see the point, or the aesthetic appeal.
rgds, sreten.
The console business lasted to well into the 1970's, but the quality level dropped precipitously after the mid 1960's. The console makers couldn't keep up with the quality or value offered by separate components, so at the end, consoles mostly ended up being something cheap your parents bought to replace the old one they had since the 1950's. But in their heyday, there were some real monsters being made; some reaching over 6 feet in width. Even Fisher got involved, offering some really nice stuff with powerful amps, well designed speakers, and high end (for the day) Garrard turntables. Stereo was not really a positive development for consoles, as the effect was obviously compromised compared with separates, given the poor placement of the speakers.
I'll be the judge of that, you twit. 😡
Do you ever post something nice???
Yeah I'd like to give some "regards" to you too.
In another thread I found on this forum there was a link to the SALORA ORTOPERSPEKTA. This is an arrangement of a center speaker reproducing L+R plus two side speakers reproducing L-R and R-L. The figure is attached.
I could do this kind of thing with a center "console". This might work well since it no longer needs to create the entire stereo image itself (the console is monophonic). So it can be a subwoofer array plus mid and tweeter or the like. I have a nice pair of DIY dipole speakers that I use now, and these are already located near the sides of the room since I designed them to be widely separated. Adding the center console, I could switch the system to the ORTOPERSPEKTA reproduction mode or use the dipoles alone.
I could do this kind of thing with a center "console". This might work well since it no longer needs to create the entire stereo image itself (the console is monophonic). So it can be a subwoofer array plus mid and tweeter or the like. I have a nice pair of DIY dipole speakers that I use now, and these are already located near the sides of the room since I designed them to be widely separated. Adding the center console, I could switch the system to the ORTOPERSPEKTA reproduction mode or use the dipoles alone.
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Hi,
Fair enough. Don't ask for thoughts if you don't want them.
(And don't presume there is some nastiness involved.)
I still can't see where your coming from, old mono monoliths
or old stereo consoles, or why modern consoles might be
relevant, though they exist as compact consoles, like :
rgds, sreten.
£2K. Clearly suited to a flat screen TV placed above if required.
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I guess the modern version is the "sound bar" - should be easy enough to build a cd player or music server inside, hang it on the wall - less space taken up that the old consoles (we've got so much more cr@p now-a-days)
gemme audio phenix.
Double 15's in the console, hardly ugly.............
Gemme Audio's Green Gem Loudspeaker System A huge leap into the stratosphere of high-end audio. Review By Rick Becker
"Green Gem exhibited supreme coherence..... The Soprano monitors are no less delicious. The midrange is a specially designed driver for Gemme that is a pure midrange, not a mid-bass driver. It covers the range from 200 Hz to over 7 kHz range — four octaves(!) which goes a long way to explain the seamlessness of the Green Gem. A single capacitor protects the midrange by rolling off the bass frequencies below 200 Hz. The midrange runs unbridled to over 10 kHz. It is extraordinarily smooth and uncolored; it blends seamlessly with the tweeter. Ring radiator tweeter designs have become increasingly prevalent among the best sounding loudspeakers at shows in recent years and the one used here from Fostex certainly does not disappoint. Extending to 30 kHz, it qualifies as a super tweeter and gave the Soprano a smooth and airy presentation."
Gemme Audio Phenix | Stereophile.com
"We listened to PJ Harvey's "Down By the Water," from her excellent To Bring You My Love, and I noted fine texture to the fuzzed-out bass and an exciting speed to the maracas. PJ's voice, meanwhile, hinted at the special blend of sexiness and creepiness I'd heard just a few nights earlier during her performance at Manhattan's Irving Plaza."
I thought of running ppsl double 15's in a console 2' wide x 2' deep by 4-6' wide.
Norman
Double 15's in the console, hardly ugly.............
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Gemme Audio's Green Gem Loudspeaker System A huge leap into the stratosphere of high-end audio. Review By Rick Becker
"Green Gem exhibited supreme coherence..... The Soprano monitors are no less delicious. The midrange is a specially designed driver for Gemme that is a pure midrange, not a mid-bass driver. It covers the range from 200 Hz to over 7 kHz range — four octaves(!) which goes a long way to explain the seamlessness of the Green Gem. A single capacitor protects the midrange by rolling off the bass frequencies below 200 Hz. The midrange runs unbridled to over 10 kHz. It is extraordinarily smooth and uncolored; it blends seamlessly with the tweeter. Ring radiator tweeter designs have become increasingly prevalent among the best sounding loudspeakers at shows in recent years and the one used here from Fostex certainly does not disappoint. Extending to 30 kHz, it qualifies as a super tweeter and gave the Soprano a smooth and airy presentation."
Gemme Audio Phenix | Stereophile.com
"We listened to PJ Harvey's "Down By the Water," from her excellent To Bring You My Love, and I noted fine texture to the fuzzed-out bass and an exciting speed to the maracas. PJ's voice, meanwhile, hinted at the special blend of sexiness and creepiness I'd heard just a few nights earlier during her performance at Manhattan's Irving Plaza."
I thought of running ppsl double 15's in a console 2' wide x 2' deep by 4-6' wide.
Norman
This really isn't so bad if the box is large. Think of a large wardrobe or chest.
In a previous home I used a row of IKEA kitchen cabinets with a butcherblock counter top. This measured about 2 feet deep, 3 feet high, and 8 or 9 feet long. I converted the large cabinets at each end of the row into subwoofers with downfiring woofer and port. The entire thing was on legs about 6" high and from the front you could not tell that it contained the subs, power amps, and the rest of a stereo system. Two small monitors were located on top at each end to provide everything above 100Hz. It's now been moved to our present home and the subs removed and converted back to shelves. It still holds a small stereo system and is used in a spare room for storage.
A console could be the same dimensions or larger and all of it could be used for the loudspeaker. I think it would be interesting to try, and I know from the above system that it can be made to not be visually objectionable (for me) with the right design execution.
Edit: I added a picture of the IKEA cabinet stereo "console"
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I found a '62 vintage Acousti-Craft console and speakers cabinets. Console is 5 feet long, about 20 inches deep. Three sections 17x17 usable space each (too narrow for most modern gear). Separate speaker cabs are 4.5 cubic feet. Came with HH Scott tube gear, JBL. Originally bought from "Radio Doctors" in Champaign IL as a semi-custom set
I have stuffed with better DIY gear. Braced cabs, have tractrix salad bowls stained to match on top. Good sound, wife actually likes it in our formal living room. Kinda mid century early American look, it anchors the far wall
I am working on an upgrade, making "built in" components that look better in the console. And sound better of course. PP 300b, Rek-o-Kut Rondine w/ a Grado wood arm and big plinth, etc. Keeping me busy...
I have stuffed with better DIY gear. Braced cabs, have tractrix salad bowls stained to match on top. Good sound, wife actually likes it in our formal living room. Kinda mid century early American look, it anchors the far wall
I am working on an upgrade, making "built in" components that look better in the console. And sound better of course. PP 300b, Rek-o-Kut Rondine w/ a Grado wood arm and big plinth, etc. Keeping me busy...
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Dan Clements DIY'ed a sharp-looking one with 12" Tannoy Duals and a 10" SB Acoustics sub, using a miniDSP 8x8 for crossover. He did a thread for it on PE's forum:
Speaker console project... More questions
I think they're not popular because they limit speaker placement for more technical people, and they're generally too big for non-technical people.
gemme audio green gem
Dimensions:
Breathe: 62 x 26 x 22 (WxHxD in inches)
Soprano: 7 x 10 x 7 (WxHxD in inches)
Dimensions:
Breathe: 62 x 26 x 22 (WxHxD in inches)
Soprano: 7 x 10 x 7 (WxHxD in inches)
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
In the pic of the system above, the "soprano" satellites are something like 2m closer to the listener than the "breathe" woofers. This could create some problems with phase around the crossover point, unless that is made very, very low. I wonder if the designers thought of this, and designed around it.
6db crossover, you have to be within 1\4 wavelength at crossover, 200hz.
The speakers don't have to be in front of the woofer cabinet, they could be right next to it, but it su
He was big on 6db time aligned speakers.
The speakers don't have to be in front of the woofer cabinet, they could be right next to it, but it su
He was big on 6db time aligned speakers.
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