Hi All,
Hope one of you knows about this ...
I'm considering a recording system based on recording in DSD, however, apart from Korg's Audiogate (up to DSD128 - accessible -> free), Merging's software (price wise out of my reach), Sonoma (DSD64) & Grimm Audio (DSD64), I've not been able to find a recording/mastering software that will record DSD256 and DSD512. I consider this could be interesting e.g. to copy and store LPs.
Anybody knows if such software exists (also at a reasonable price point)?
Thanks for any insights 😉
Jesper
Hope one of you knows about this ...
I'm considering a recording system based on recording in DSD, however, apart from Korg's Audiogate (up to DSD128 - accessible -> free), Merging's software (price wise out of my reach), Sonoma (DSD64) & Grimm Audio (DSD64), I've not been able to find a recording/mastering software that will record DSD256 and DSD512. I consider this could be interesting e.g. to copy and store LPs.
Anybody knows if such software exists (also at a reasonable price point)?
Thanks for any insights 😉
Jesper
Jesper, you might want to have a look at this:Sound Magic -Serenade Workstation
I'm not sure what they mean by "native", in other words I am curious if the ADC chip is a 1 bit or something else.
The rest of the specs look fine though.
Cheers,
Marco
I'm not sure what they mean by "native", in other words I am curious if the ADC chip is a 1 bit or something else.
The rest of the specs look fine though.
Cheers,
Marco
Hi Marco,
Thanks for your feedback and the link. Looks interesting ... Reading the text in the "Recording section" I wonder though if the Software needs to be combined with their recording module or it may also work with other modules ... This would be the most interesting to me (DiY 🙂) ... I may contact them about this.
Thanks again ;-)
Jesper
Thanks for your feedback and the link. Looks interesting ... Reading the text in the "Recording section" I wonder though if the Software needs to be combined with their recording module or it may also work with other modules ... This would be the most interesting to me (DiY 🙂) ... I may contact them about this.
Thanks again ;-)
Jesper
Another piece of interest might be this free recording software:
VinylStudio - Recording DSD
I did use it myself with pcm, but never managed to succesfully start a dsd recording. I used a Usbpal from Rigisystems trying that.
Always welcome ;-)
Marco
P.S. you aren't by any chance that guy that has a company in the Netherlands, are you?
VinylStudio - Recording DSD
I did use it myself with pcm, but never managed to succesfully start a dsd recording. I used a Usbpal from Rigisystems trying that.
Always welcome ;-)
Marco
P.S. you aren't by any chance that guy that has a company in the Netherlands, are you?
TNT, it shouldn't be a problem with the Usbpal:
USB Audio - Rigisystems
Same goes for the Serenade Workstation. Your point being?
USB Audio - Rigisystems
Same goes for the Serenade Workstation. Your point being?
No it isn't. I juat wanted to make clear that even though there is free dsd-recording software and with the dsd input interface I had, I couldn't get dsd on a hard disk, couldn't make a dsd recording.
I used the usbpalen (which has dsd inputs) and hooked up a dsd source, but didn't get any sound in the VinylStudio. Could've been me and not figuring out the settings well enough, I am not here to state the soft- or hardware is flawed, just saying this rather cheap way of doing things might not be very easy getting done easy and fast.
Regarding adc's: there must be many proto/evaluation boards etc out there that might fill your need. Sadly there ar none on the Rigisystems, but shouldn't be too hard to glue on;-)
I used the usbpalen (which has dsd inputs) and hooked up a dsd source, but didn't get any sound in the VinylStudio. Could've been me and not figuring out the settings well enough, I am not here to state the soft- or hardware is flawed, just saying this rather cheap way of doing things might not be very easy getting done easy and fast.
Regarding adc's: there must be many proto/evaluation boards etc out there that might fill your need. Sadly there ar none on the Rigisystems, but shouldn't be too hard to glue on;-)
Hi all,
As it is I happen to also have a USBPAL and may be able to shed some light on its potential use for DSD recording ...
First, the USBPAL in an in/out I2S-to-USB interface card between any ADC/DAC and recording software in the computer. Sort of like the combo384 but with both ways communication.
Second, I spoke with Marcel Dasen (CEO, Rigisystems) some time ago about recording DSD via the USBPAL and it's capable of doing so up to DSD256 except that it takes an ASIO driver/software part (don't know what the technically correct term may be for an ASIO software part) to make it work. Thus, DSD may be selected in USBPAL's setup but it requires an additional ASIO to actually make it work. This, and the editing software, is what I'm looking for preferably up to DSD512 (or higher).
Third, and I may more or less have said that by now - the USBPAL works with up to 384/32 bit ADCs/DACs that are capable of communicating via I2S (I think another standard is also available, though).
@mterbekke:
Thanks for the suggestion & link - but I don't think the vinylstudio is capable of higher than DSD128 ... The Nuwave is based on a PCM4222 and it's not capable of higher than DSD128 so my guess would be that the software wouldn't be capable of going higher either (but maybe you know elsehow?) ...
... Have a good day to you all ;-)
Jesper
As it is I happen to also have a USBPAL and may be able to shed some light on its potential use for DSD recording ...
First, the USBPAL in an in/out I2S-to-USB interface card between any ADC/DAC and recording software in the computer. Sort of like the combo384 but with both ways communication.
Second, I spoke with Marcel Dasen (CEO, Rigisystems) some time ago about recording DSD via the USBPAL and it's capable of doing so up to DSD256 except that it takes an ASIO driver/software part (don't know what the technically correct term may be for an ASIO software part) to make it work. Thus, DSD may be selected in USBPAL's setup but it requires an additional ASIO to actually make it work. This, and the editing software, is what I'm looking for preferably up to DSD512 (or higher).
Third, and I may more or less have said that by now - the USBPAL works with up to 384/32 bit ADCs/DACs that are capable of communicating via I2S (I think another standard is also available, though).
@mterbekke:
No, I'm Danish ;-)
Thanks for the suggestion & link - but I don't think the vinylstudio is capable of higher than DSD128 ... The Nuwave is based on a PCM4222 and it's not capable of higher than DSD128 so my guess would be that the software wouldn't be capable of going higher either (but maybe you know elsehow?) ...
... Have a good day to you all ;-)
Jesper
Jesper,
Vinylstudio can record in quad dsd.
Going higher than dsd512 would mean looking for a different interface than can be provided by USB2. I know of nothing else than a Cypress FX-3 that could manage, but now you`re really in the prototyping area..
I get the wish for higher datarates, but at those rates you are, again, looking for/at some seriously well designed electronics. That`s either extremely expensive (which you weren`t looking for), or soundwise very likely outperformed by the lower datarates stuff.
good luck!
P.S. the other Jesper I was talking about is also Danish and from Århus... ;-)
Vinylstudio can record in quad dsd.
Going higher than dsd512 would mean looking for a different interface than can be provided by USB2. I know of nothing else than a Cypress FX-3 that could manage, but now you`re really in the prototyping area..
I get the wish for higher datarates, but at those rates you are, again, looking for/at some seriously well designed electronics. That`s either extremely expensive (which you weren`t looking for), or soundwise very likely outperformed by the lower datarates stuff.
good luck!
P.S. the other Jesper I was talking about is also Danish and from Århus... ;-)
Well, I reckon there are many potential "components/variants" in each of the parts you mention but basically yes.
Hi Marco,
This may be very interesting ... Maybe I should contact them to hear if there are any requirements for making this work ...
To my knowledge USB2 may work with 480 Mbps data transfers (optimally). As you may know the USBPAL can be bridged which means that the data transfer in this case would be around 196 Mbps (16 channels of 384 kHz/32 bits). DSD512 - two channels - is 49.152 Mbps so I personally would consider it possible that it could work if the computer doesn't have drivers interfering or the like ...
... Thanks & just FYI "Jesper" is a quite common name in certain age groups in Denmark. When I attended primary school at some point in time I have a recollection that we were four Jesper's in the same class. Could make for some "widespread attention" when someone said ... "Jesper" ... 🙄
Cheers 🙂
Jesper
Best regards,
Jesper
Yes the Usbpalen can be bridged, but as far as I can gather this only adds extra channels, not a higher datarate per mono channel, which is what you want.
think of it as this:
To get dsd1024 clocked in you would need a 44 or 49 MHz clock.
bridging them would, again, lead you to the capable (yet probably rather expensive) development department of Rigisystems regarding the software side, because:
On the hardware side you would need some glue logic to multiplex (if you catch my drift) that 45 or 49 MHz datarate from an ADC to half of it.
even if you could do it with one card (which costs about 200-250), you would still need to have that asio driver developed, and develop the multiplexer in that driver, or am I missing something?
I`m still guessing that anything above dsd 512 is gonna cost a lot of financial resources.
think of it as this:
To get dsd1024 clocked in you would need a 44 or 49 MHz clock.
bridging them would, again, lead you to the capable (yet probably rather expensive) development department of Rigisystems regarding the software side, because:
On the hardware side you would need some glue logic to multiplex (if you catch my drift) that 45 or 49 MHz datarate from an ADC to half of it.
even if you could do it with one card (which costs about 200-250), you would still need to have that asio driver developed, and develop the multiplexer in that driver, or am I missing something?
I`m still guessing that anything above dsd 512 is gonna cost a lot of financial resources.
BTW: I am not trying to discourage any of you in getting these high datarates going, I am surely more than interested in getting them in and out of a pc.
Hi - & good morning ...
A few comments to your posts & suggestions ...
@merlin el mago: To me an interesting ADC could be one of the upcoming AKM ADCs which combine 768 kHz PCM with DSD256. In any case it would be DIY.
@mterbekke:
Thanks again for commenting ... From my perspective the main challenges are to get the data into the PC and have it stored & processed there. Multiplexing the signal prior to the USBPAL I don't find to be an issue, and I suppose a programmer could help de-multiplexing and combining the incoming DSD files inside the computer. If the clock for all the USBPAL inputs is the same the sequence of data should be "aligned" and probably relatively easy to recombine.
The issue - again from my perspective - is e.g. an ASIO that works with the USBPAL. And also whether or not e.g. something like the Vinylstudio software is capable of a qualitatively superb processing of the DSD data. I recently tried foobar's DSD solution and unless I made some kind of mistake it's quite noisy (like an FM carrier wave surrounding the sound). Then I've tried HQPlayer's DSD processing which even at low DSD resolutions (DSD64 & DSD128) to my ears has some qualities - however, my computer is far from fast enough to work with the processing required.
... What I'd like to say is that DSD processing appears to not be that simple (any other experiences, anyone?) and thus an editing software in my guess could be "challenging" ...
Cheers,
Jesper
A few comments to your posts & suggestions ...
@merlin el mago: To me an interesting ADC could be one of the upcoming AKM ADCs which combine 768 kHz PCM with DSD256. In any case it would be DIY.
@mterbekke:
Thanks again for commenting ... From my perspective the main challenges are to get the data into the PC and have it stored & processed there. Multiplexing the signal prior to the USBPAL I don't find to be an issue, and I suppose a programmer could help de-multiplexing and combining the incoming DSD files inside the computer. If the clock for all the USBPAL inputs is the same the sequence of data should be "aligned" and probably relatively easy to recombine.
The issue - again from my perspective - is e.g. an ASIO that works with the USBPAL. And also whether or not e.g. something like the Vinylstudio software is capable of a qualitatively superb processing of the DSD data. I recently tried foobar's DSD solution and unless I made some kind of mistake it's quite noisy (like an FM carrier wave surrounding the sound). Then I've tried HQPlayer's DSD processing which even at low DSD resolutions (DSD64 & DSD128) to my ears has some qualities - however, my computer is far from fast enough to work with the processing required.
... What I'd like to say is that DSD processing appears to not be that simple (any other experiences, anyone?) and thus an editing software in my guess could be "challenging" ...
Cheers,
Jesper
Jesper, best I can think off regarding editing dsd on a pc:
AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HiEnd audio converter ISO DFF DSF WAV FLAC AIFF
But I might ask why you would edit anything when your goal is to record vinyl?
AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HiEnd audio converter ISO DFF DSF WAV FLAC AIFF
But I might ask why you would edit anything when your goal is to record vinyl?
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