Anyone heard or measured them?
The midrange driver looks quite good on paper with over 200-2khz usable range.
On cell right now do can't link the paper and datasheet.
The midrange driver looks quite good on paper with over 200-2khz usable range.
On cell right now do can't link the paper and datasheet.
might be worth digging out this old thread, since they have been around for a while now, but still look interesting and are not too expensive..
has anyone got any experience to share, also with the sub p30f?
has anyone got any experience to share, also with the sub p30f?
I think the Flax cones from Focal, sound better than ANY midbass driver I have personally heard in the past 30 years. So I am VERY biased. But this may be good info for you to know: Until I heard the Flax set, I was ANTI Focal, due to their tweeters, and their only decent sounding speakers being the K2P. But those sounded like studio monitors with balls to me, and not natural. The Flax does everything well imo.
So I am not a Focal fan normally. So my opinion is based on what I hear, and not what I WISH I was hearing, due to blind Fanboy state of mind.
I say buy a set and try them. If you do not like them in your home set up, then you have the best car speakers I have ever heard. Either way, I believe you will be blown away. The new TNF tweeters are actually great. Very surprising, but they are finally making a great tweeter at Focal, which is affordable.
I have never liked any of Focal's subs .... and I have even owned the hyper expensive Utopia 33 subs, about 12 years ago. I listened to their Flax subs, and came away unimpressed. They sound like most of Focal's subs have... accurate and dry/weak. But they now have a new released sub that is AMAZING. I was able to hear it, head to head, with a JL Audio W7. And it sounded as good or better ! It's the newer K30 KX.
Here is a link:
K2 Power E 30 KX subwoofer - Focal | Focal | Listen Beyond
So I am not a Focal fan normally. So my opinion is based on what I hear, and not what I WISH I was hearing, due to blind Fanboy state of mind.
I say buy a set and try them. If you do not like them in your home set up, then you have the best car speakers I have ever heard. Either way, I believe you will be blown away. The new TNF tweeters are actually great. Very surprising, but they are finally making a great tweeter at Focal, which is affordable.
I have never liked any of Focal's subs .... and I have even owned the hyper expensive Utopia 33 subs, about 12 years ago. I listened to their Flax subs, and came away unimpressed. They sound like most of Focal's subs have... accurate and dry/weak. But they now have a new released sub that is AMAZING. I was able to hear it, head to head, with a JL Audio W7. And it sounded as good or better ! It's the newer K30 KX.
Here is a link:
K2 Power E 30 KX subwoofer - Focal | Focal | Listen Beyond
I found it. For those interested -
https://www.focal.com/sites/www.focal.fr/files/shared/catalog/document/ps165fx-technical_sheet.pdf
There should be a typo on it, Le is given as 7.27mH but the MMS is only 11.9g. Qts limits its use to OB.
SB Acoustics Satori line has a midrange comparable to this one with MMS of 10.6g for 119sqcm, better chassis, slightly higher linear excursion, lower inductance and much lower Fs. Cone is hard as well and resonance is lower in magnitude and much higher in frequency. But thats on paper, I would be interested to test one of these and compare it.
Long time ago I had a Focal Polyglass 5V2 which was getting raving reviews by car magazines, it was worse in all aspects but dynamics compared to the SB13PFC-25 which I had on hand. Resolution wise the cheap SB midwoofer was two classes above and the focal had high midband 3rd order distortion starting at around 1.8Khz (SB also had rising distortion but starting at around 2Khz and was mostly second order).
https://www.focal.com/sites/www.focal.fr/files/shared/catalog/document/ps165fx-technical_sheet.pdf
There should be a typo on it, Le is given as 7.27mH but the MMS is only 11.9g. Qts limits its use to OB.
SB Acoustics Satori line has a midrange comparable to this one with MMS of 10.6g for 119sqcm, better chassis, slightly higher linear excursion, lower inductance and much lower Fs. Cone is hard as well and resonance is lower in magnitude and much higher in frequency. But thats on paper, I would be interested to test one of these and compare it.
Long time ago I had a Focal Polyglass 5V2 which was getting raving reviews by car magazines, it was worse in all aspects but dynamics compared to the SB13PFC-25 which I had on hand. Resolution wise the cheap SB midwoofer was two classes above and the focal had high midband 3rd order distortion starting at around 1.8Khz (SB also had rising distortion but starting at around 2Khz and was mostly second order).
No idea but...
I have build a Focal Utopia 33WX sub and heard the 33KX (which is around 80-85% of the WX sq wise imo).
They are among the most precise and cleanest sounding woofers I have heard (in car) and the cone will have almost no sound coloration due to multiple layer construction of rigid and soft materials (good damping).
The lack of distortion might be "weak" sounding in comparison.
Also they are not "fat" sounding like most (american) car subs.
In the right enclosure I don`t think you can do much better sq wise as long as you tune them around the 40s (which is sufficient in car use).
YMMV.
Agreed. The 33wx subs are about perfect SQ subs. And for me that meant they were boring as hell. It wasn't their amazing lack of distortion, but they just could not move any air. The transients were lost in the car, when competing with road noise, poor environment, etc.
Dynaudio's car sub was the same way. So were the amazing Boston Acoustics LF series subs. Sounded like they would be better off paired with a small 2 way Proac speaker in your parlor, imo.
That is why I didn't like them. Going for too smooth in a car, is only good with the engine off in competition for me. I need air movement and transient speed that is noticeable. JMO
PS: In my opinion, the BEST car subs ever made were the Boston Acoustics G5 series. Smooth as Focal or Dyn, with amazing, amazing tight slam and impact. You can tell what brand of strings the bassist is using. 😀
hmm,
i wasnt planing on using the p30f in a car.
i am thinking of using them at home, in a cb with linkwitz transform , and they seem to fit the reqirements for cone excursion and power intake
i wasnt planing on using the p30f in a car.
i am thinking of using them at home, in a cb with linkwitz transform , and they seem to fit the reqirements for cone excursion and power intake
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