Hello
Looking to bypass the input stages of Lab Gruppen fp14000 clone to make sound more liver. Mostly trying to bypass the gain board circuit
Has anybody done this?
Looking to bypass the input stages of Lab Gruppen fp14000 clone to make sound more liver. Mostly trying to bypass the gain board circuit
Has anybody done this?
it's a clone so all bets are off as to what you have and i've heard reports that some of the "clones" are so poorly designed that they go up in flames!
be careful your "liver" doesn't turn into "kidneys"!
be careful your "liver" doesn't turn into "kidneys"!
Well, I have to second that. Not only burnt/flaming boards because of too thin copper layers and wires etc are a problem, the capacitors in the cheap knock-offs are sometimes extremely dangerous. Way too low specs regarding voltage, temperature and especally bad ESR lead to sudden heat increase - even if the amp worked fine up to that point - which makes them expand rapidly. (read: explode. and no, that's not an exaggeration).
Aside that, the FPs sound excellent. What changes in sound do you expect by saying "sound more liver"? That says everything and nothing at the same time. 🙄
Test-swap the FP clone with another amp and compare if it really sounds better. If it doesn't, I'd suggest you modify your DSP settings, EQ and limiters change a lot of the sound. And before you do that, you should check if it's really the amp and not the input which lacks in sound quality, what bad mixers and compressed sources destroy in quality can't be brought back by any amplifier or speakers. How does your signal chain looks like? From source to speakers include everything please.
Aside that, the FPs sound excellent. What changes in sound do you expect by saying "sound more liver"? That says everything and nothing at the same time. 🙄
Test-swap the FP clone with another amp and compare if it really sounds better. If it doesn't, I'd suggest you modify your DSP settings, EQ and limiters change a lot of the sound. And before you do that, you should check if it's really the amp and not the input which lacks in sound quality, what bad mixers and compressed sources destroy in quality can't be brought back by any amplifier or speakers. How does your signal chain looks like? From source to speakers include everything please.
ICG I am using a cheap USB DAC ES9023P
This is how i currently run
DAC>FP14000>18inch Speakers
I tested with my Diyed AB amplifier which has no input states so it sound more Liver
This is how i currently run
DAC>FP14000>18inch Speakers
I tested with my Diyed AB amplifier which has no input states so it sound more Liver
"no input states so it sound more Liver."
could you explain what you are saying here in different terms?
could you explain what you are saying here in different terms?
Ah, yes. 18in speakers. Yes, that explains EVERYTHING. 🙄
Fullrange, subwoofer or whatever or is there anything else involved besides the 18"? 😉 If they got a very high impedance in the high range then that's maybe the reason.
Well, what do you mean by 'Liver'? You've been asked that several times before, I will not continue if you just repeat that nonexplanationary, nonsensical term (you surely don't mean the organ.. do you?
) once again.so is it that he's running it into a pair of 18's and complaining he's got no top end??
"Liver" is good with onions and chalots!!
"Liver" is good with onions and chalots!!
I mean no input stages means no internal pre amplifier. I tested even with 2 inch floor standing speaker it transparent and smooth. Bought that amp for subwoofer use.
For my hifi Deejing my system is:
18inch speaker for below for 30hz to 150hz
10inch woofer for 150hz to 400hz
I am currently using 2inch speaker for 400hz to 2khz
Silk dome tweeter for 2khz and above
The crossover Music player software Jriver Media centre.
Well, what do you mean by 'Liver'? You've been asked that several times before, I will not continue if you just repeat that nonexplanationary, nonsensical term (you surely don't mean the organ.. do you?
What do i mean the term "more live"? If you connect like this than it is less live DAC>Crossover>Amplifier>Speakers than connecting like this DAC>Amplifier>Speaker
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I can't help but wonder how exactly both "live" and "less live" sounds like, in 30-150Hz 18" bass bins...
Not to mention, how the determination has been made, that the input section of the amp is to blame for that (alleged) effect...
i know the "real McCoy" has the Nomad link for power sequencing and it has built in limiters but i don't know if it has any DSP for eq that i know of.
and seeing that it's a clone it's entirely possible that it sounds like it needs to be "liver", who knows.
and seeing that it's a clone it's entirely possible that it sounds like it needs to be "liver", who knows.
The subwoofer amp will not change the 'live' character of the sound at all. What do you want?
More highs? ->Tweeter/crossover change.
More/'feel-able' bass? -> That does the subwoofer and its enclosure/tuning and the crossover setup. What bass are you using and what's the enclosure/volume/tuning? Sealed, BR, horn, BP, TML?
Well, you have either to change your crossover/dsp setup or you have to change your speakers, a silk dome tweeter isn't suitable for any DJ purposes and a 2" midrange which goes from 400Hz up is just for hifi like your tweeter. What other amps do you use for the tweeter, 10" and midrange?
That means it's not the amplifier, it's the crossover or it's setup. The crossover makes 90% of the sound of the speaker. Modifying the amp will not help you at all.
I stopped using mixer and crossover for Hifi due to its makes the sound less Alive.
It can be distinguished by this method
Connection 1 audio sound:
Connect a source Android smartphone directly to a amplifier and hear how it sounds
Connection 2 audio sound:
Now again connect like this source Android smartphone to your Active Crossover to the same amplifier used in option 1
Which connection method sounds better?
Ans: Option 1
I maybe wrong it can even be the output section
Yes the live i meant is the same Alive sound
It can be distinguished by this method
Connection 1 audio sound:
Connect a source Android smartphone directly to a amplifier and hear how it sounds
Connection 2 audio sound:
Now again connect like this source Android smartphone to your Active Crossover to the same amplifier used in option 1
Which connection method sounds better?
Ans: Option 1
I maybe wrong it can even be the output section
Yes the live i meant is the same Alive sound
We're still talking about using this amplifier only on the 18" bass speakers, right?
So "no crossover", which means "no 150Hz low-pass"(?), sounds better to you?
And what "active crossover" are we talking about then, that damages the sound so dramatically?
Perhaps the settings of that could use some (re)adjusting?
So "no crossover", which means "no 150Hz low-pass"(?), sounds better to you?
And what "active crossover" are we talking about then, that damages the sound so dramatically?
Perhaps the settings of that could use some (re)adjusting?
i think he doesn't like what the crossover is doing taking the high frequency content out of the signal?
if full range audio to an 18 makes him happy who am i to judge? i feel sorry for his tweeter and mid if he likes everything unfiltered and unEQ'd.
if full range audio to an 18 makes him happy who am i to judge? i feel sorry for his tweeter and mid if he likes everything unfiltered and unEQ'd.
Either you don't know what a crossover is or it does not sound 'alive' anymore because you killed your tweeter because of the lack of a crossover. Buddy, a speaker does not work without a crossover. Not even wide-band speakers work properly without some filtering.
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