Recently It doesn't read blu-ray discs well, 1/3 discs of mine can't be recognized. However dvds and cds are still very well played like before.
When the "unknown" blu-ray disc gets in, the player starts to read it, I can hear some noise for inside, but after half minite or so, it tells "unknown disc", then I push any button on the front panel or remote, it tells "can't play this disc".
Those "unknown" discs are still good to my cheap sony player, were good to this pioneer player before.
I tried lots of times, seems that the machine is unable to recognise some blu-ray discs, while other discs have no problem.
Please help, What's the problem, any way to deal with?
Thanks.
When the "unknown" blu-ray disc gets in, the player starts to read it, I can hear some noise for inside, but after half minite or so, it tells "unknown disc", then I push any button on the front panel or remote, it tells "can't play this disc".
Those "unknown" discs are still good to my cheap sony player, were good to this pioneer player before.
I tried lots of times, seems that the machine is unable to recognise some blu-ray discs, while other discs have no problem.
Please help, What's the problem, any way to deal with?
Thanks.
I'm afraid that my own experience, over the course of a few years, with the beautfully built BDP09FD is that the allegedly superior BD recording drive used is actually pretty darned unreliable, and the beginning of it's decay is exactly what you describe. The lower models in the line of the time, the 51FD, 05FD & 23FD, have extremely rare reliability problems, despite their cheaper BD drives. What's really horrible is that the drive replacement in the 09FD is FAR from plug&play, with Pioneern basically making it impossible for anyone but their own special service centers to do the job. So, last time about a year ago, it was $450usd, and now the drive is showing signs of decay once again. Thus my decision to replace with a Sony BDP-S5000ES, which performs easily as well on video, has better onboard audio, and seems to have no track record of drive problems. Plus the drive seems to be a drop-in replacement if it does fail.
Thanks. The cost of repair is too steep.
What do you think of its sound quality comparing to sony 5000es or 05fd? After reading your experience, I am thinking how to deal with it, I may use it as a cd player.
I am not sure If I will buy any pioneer products in the future. Do they have enough know-how to make high end stuff?
You might be able to sell the 09 'as-is' for nearly enough to buy a 5000.
I personally really hate the Wolfson dacs in general, especially those used in the 09, 05 & 51. They sound very metallic & unpleasant to me, which is revealed very clearly if you make the mistake of upgrading the supplies & output stages. With cruddy opamps and lytic coupling caps, that metallic sound is hidden enough to make reasonably acceptable sound. The best sounding good Pioneer blu-ray is the BDP-23FD, with it's cheap-but-sweet B0B PCM1742 dacs, which has also thus far been the most reliable BD unit from Pioneer(both owning experience and as a servicer, in my case). The Sony 5000 uses the very excellent PCM1796 dacs, so not only sounds very good stock, it will get better & better with upgrading.
Despite the semi-disaster of the 09FD, I do very much like a lot of Pioneer stuff, and they are capable of great design. I must say, though, that after the 09/05/51/23 gen of bd units and the 79/59 gen of dvd units, they seem to have completely abandoned any attempt to make a good disc player of any kind. First time I popped the lid on a BDP52, I was shocked at what a cheap piece of junk it was inside. The same could easily be true of Sony, though, but I have not yet seen inside any BD unit other than the 5000 from them, so remans to be seen.
I personally really hate the Wolfson dacs in general, especially those used in the 09, 05 & 51. They sound very metallic & unpleasant to me, which is revealed very clearly if you make the mistake of upgrading the supplies & output stages. With cruddy opamps and lytic coupling caps, that metallic sound is hidden enough to make reasonably acceptable sound. The best sounding good Pioneer blu-ray is the BDP-23FD, with it's cheap-but-sweet B0B PCM1742 dacs, which has also thus far been the most reliable BD unit from Pioneer(both owning experience and as a servicer, in my case). The Sony 5000 uses the very excellent PCM1796 dacs, so not only sounds very good stock, it will get better & better with upgrading.
Despite the semi-disaster of the 09FD, I do very much like a lot of Pioneer stuff, and they are capable of great design. I must say, though, that after the 09/05/51/23 gen of bd units and the 79/59 gen of dvd units, they seem to have completely abandoned any attempt to make a good disc player of any kind. First time I popped the lid on a BDP52, I was shocked at what a cheap piece of junk it was inside. The same could easily be true of Sony, though, but I have not yet seen inside any BD unit other than the 5000 from them, so remans to be seen.
Thank you for your reply.
I just personly don't know how to deal with this player (because of its cost), in fact I have a nad cd player, will compare them side by side for sound quality, Anyway I willnot get it repaired. Checked online, a few guys got the same problem again after replacing the driver.
Had several sony es gears before, old and new, never had issues. I couldn't say sony's quality is much better, but my experience tells sony is much more reliable in my place.
Have a 51 that I pulled out of the closet because it went in there originally because it started displaying " no disc" even though it pulls it in.
The drive is a BDV-103-XA
Have any of you kids tried replacing the laser diode or anything else just to get it going?
Firmware is 1.70
Before it goes into the trash can it would be nice to get audio out of it since it sounded decent enough as I remember and they were built solid but flaky in operation on the Bluray side of things
Regards
David
The drive is a BDV-103-XA
Have any of you kids tried replacing the laser diode or anything else just to get it going?
Firmware is 1.70
Before it goes into the trash can it would be nice to get audio out of it since it sounded decent enough as I remember and they were built solid but flaky in operation on the Bluray side of things
Regards
David
did nothing on it. just sit in the corner. it's a pain to get it repaired. maybe someday it has to get into the trashcan. Have a few pioneer audio units, none is working perfectly, the higher end, the more issues.
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On the BDP-51FD, I have never seen a bad laser, only dirty lenses. So, before you decide it's toast, pop open the mech & gently take a cotton swab to the lenses. Problem is that the unit's fan sucks dust in through the mech, causing dust on lens. Shape of the lens lends itself to effective periodic cleaning with one of those old cd lens cleaner discs, though.
As for the BDP-09FD, the failures have, as far as I can tell, nothing to do with the laser, but to the drive's electronics(and, unfortunately not simply bad caps).
As for the BDP-09FD, the failures have, as far as I can tell, nothing to do with the laser, but to the drive's electronics(and, unfortunately not simply bad caps).
I did clean the laser and a it was clean with no dust inside
The fan is temperature controlled as I don't remember it running at turn on?
The fan is temperature controlled as I don't remember it running at turn on?
I'd have to refer to the manual, but traditionally, at least on Pioneer dvd players, reset was done by having power off, then holding stop button while pressing power button. May be different for bd players.
And, yes, the fan is on a thermal.
Honestly, the 51FD is such an awful sounding player, if it seems to have a bad drive, I'd say dump it & spend $100-ish to buy a good used 23FD. Identical video & far better sound, and very high reliability.
And, yes, the fan is on a thermal.
Honestly, the 51FD is such an awful sounding player, if it seems to have a bad drive, I'd say dump it & spend $100-ish to buy a good used 23FD. Identical video & far better sound, and very high reliability.
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