Hi,
I'm lookink for a player or a server/player which layout is proof with 384 K hz speed or highers (DSD). Both I2S output and USB.
I read than RasberryPi or BBB are not really ok for those speed ?!
BBB can be slaved if my understanding is correct but if the layout is bad what about the I2S quality : doesn't Worth it ?
I have A Synology NAS with which I Stream with the USB output via Audiostation player (a synology package). the NAS is DLNA certified and can stock the Library of this futur nano server/player !
Any idea please or a .SDK package for SYNOLOGY NAS with a GUI for Android... I ask Synology for a futur sdk with Foobar (mainly because it has A hdcd plug in and some upsampler into it) but of course no answer 😀.
Does any LMS solutions are limited at 24/192 ?
Thanks in advance,
regards
Eldam
I'm lookink for a player or a server/player which layout is proof with 384 K hz speed or highers (DSD). Both I2S output and USB.
I read than RasberryPi or BBB are not really ok for those speed ?!
BBB can be slaved if my understanding is correct but if the layout is bad what about the I2S quality : doesn't Worth it ?
I have A Synology NAS with which I Stream with the USB output via Audiostation player (a synology package). the NAS is DLNA certified and can stock the Library of this futur nano server/player !
Any idea please or a .SDK package for SYNOLOGY NAS with a GUI for Android... I ask Synology for a futur sdk with Foobar (mainly because it has A hdcd plug in and some upsampler into it) but of course no answer 😀.
Does any LMS solutions are limited at 24/192 ?
Thanks in advance,
regards
Eldam
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Hi,
I dont have the answer you want but I share the same question.
I am looking a solution like the Minnow Max board. The next revision should have the I2S output working. It might need an accessory board. It can run Window 8 and linux.
The Minix Neo 64 , just on the market is inexpensive and run Window 8 and a have a faster processor that the MinnowMAx. It could be an option to run Foobar. Hopefully someone can tested soon. It can run also Android 4.4.4 but this OS have some limitation for music. (I have a Minix X7 and its good but limited. It play 5.1, but even stereo is downsample to 16 bit 48 khz max. thanks to Android). You need special program to bypass those limitation (ex : USBaudioPro).
A linux base computer should also be consider since Window is quite complex and music quality can be affected by other process. You can run this linux version : audiophile linux. AudioPhile Linux | Quality audio on Linux
Deadbeef seems to be a popular player for Linux.
I hope this help. Sorry to not have a tested solution.
Hi,
I dont have the answer you want but I share the same question.
I am looking a solution like the Minnow Max board. The next revision should have the I2S output working. It might need an accessory board. It can run Window 8 and linux.
The Minix Neo 64 , just on the market is inexpensive and run Window 8 and a have a faster processor that the MinnowMAx. It could be an option to run Foobar. Hopefully someone can tested soon. It can run also Android 4.4.4 but this OS have some limitation for music. (I have a Minix X7 and its good but limited. It play 5.1, but even stereo is downsample to 16 bit 48 khz max. thanks to Android). You need special program to bypass those limitation (ex : USBaudioPro).
A linux base computer should also be consider since Window is quite complex and music quality can be affected by other process. You can run this linux version : audiophile linux. AudioPhile Linux | Quality audio on Linux
Deadbeef seems to be a popular player for Linux.
I hope this help. Sorry to not have a tested solution.
thanks for the hints :
two issues the nano board have if I read good informations :
- an I2S output with a bad layout (+ problems of connections with the next pcb, becaue they are not made just for audio, so each stage or pcb for I2S add more problems that they solve !)
- general layout issues with USB like a bigger pc unit if no isolator in front of the USB output is present: on the next board!
I just asked to Synology and they don't plane to move upper the LMS 7.7.3, nore to package FooBar (I asked as well).
Despite some possible I2S output mode I really ask myself if such little nano board can serve for real upsampling...
Maybe with the USB output, but with I2S output ???? It's surely already bad even for 16/44 !
It seems it's not sure we can avoid an USB to I2S pcb with an isolator chip, that's my understanding... But some isolator have also some problems with high Fs (if you upsample, have a high Fs Library, or DSD materials !)
In this way the new Rasberry Pi with a (light) W 2010 can help not to jump to Linux and use this more powerfull board as server & player both. With2010 if x64, the USB driver should be good.
But the best method to avoid all this s***t is certainly the Ian Fifo !
Foobar is ok if a GUI for Android exists ! Does it ?
The better option could be a nano with in front of it an ad hoc pcb which could be TCPIP input and I2S output made for audio. No jitter problem on the face of the Internet protocol transport here and the pcb could be just close to the dac board ! A better option than USB which streams if no FIFO !
Don't know if short connection with USB between a nano and an USB to I2S makes the things better than a 1 meter USB wire... never tried !
two issues the nano board have if I read good informations :
- an I2S output with a bad layout (+ problems of connections with the next pcb, becaue they are not made just for audio, so each stage or pcb for I2S add more problems that they solve !)
- general layout issues with USB like a bigger pc unit if no isolator in front of the USB output is present: on the next board!
I just asked to Synology and they don't plane to move upper the LMS 7.7.3, nore to package FooBar (I asked as well).
Despite some possible I2S output mode I really ask myself if such little nano board can serve for real upsampling...
Maybe with the USB output, but with I2S output ???? It's surely already bad even for 16/44 !
It seems it's not sure we can avoid an USB to I2S pcb with an isolator chip, that's my understanding... But some isolator have also some problems with high Fs (if you upsample, have a high Fs Library, or DSD materials !)
In this way the new Rasberry Pi with a (light) W 2010 can help not to jump to Linux and use this more powerfull board as server & player both. With2010 if x64, the USB driver should be good.
But the best method to avoid all this s***t is certainly the Ian Fifo !
Foobar is ok if a GUI for Android exists ! Does it ?
The better option could be a nano with in front of it an ad hoc pcb which could be TCPIP input and I2S output made for audio. No jitter problem on the face of the Internet protocol transport here and the pcb could be just close to the dac board ! A better option than USB which streams if no FIFO !
Don't know if short connection with USB between a nano and an USB to I2S makes the things better than a 1 meter USB wire... never tried !
Hi.
The I2S drivers and implementation of I2S for each ARM board differs.
You need to check its status and feature list out first -- for every single board.
We're talking about proprietary HW specific kernel drivers here.
I had a problem with e.g. Hifiberry module regarding 24bit support.
No way to get that fixed at that time.
The Rune Audio and Volumio team/community might help on certain issues though.
That's why I'd strongly recommend to go for a USB-I2S interface.
The USB driver is a well maintained usually pretty generic driver. (HiRez >96kHz under Windows is a mess though.)
A good USB interface will also provide proper isolation from the noisy ARM board.
And you're much more flexible.
When it comes to applications:
Squeezelite under Squeeze on Arch (SOA) will give you the option to resample to 384khz using the high quality sox library with all its fancy parameters.
You'd keep your Synlogy LMS server running as is and do the resampling on the client.
Squeezelite uses a more efficient sox library compared to the Sox binary as used by the LMS server. Since the resampling is done on the client you don't have a high load on the network. Still you have a pretty high load on the client, which might cause other nasty sideeffects.
A Cubitruck or a fast 4core Wandboard probably manages to do the job.
My Cubitruck runs a 3-way stereo crossover, parametric equaliyzer and phase/time allignment at a load of 32%.
However. I can't promise that you'll get it satifactory working this way.
I never tried 384khz. I don't have a 384kHz DAC.
Good luck.
The I2S drivers and implementation of I2S for each ARM board differs.
You need to check its status and feature list out first -- for every single board.
We're talking about proprietary HW specific kernel drivers here.
I had a problem with e.g. Hifiberry module regarding 24bit support.
No way to get that fixed at that time.
The Rune Audio and Volumio team/community might help on certain issues though.
That's why I'd strongly recommend to go for a USB-I2S interface.
The USB driver is a well maintained usually pretty generic driver. (HiRez >96kHz under Windows is a mess though.)
A good USB interface will also provide proper isolation from the noisy ARM board.
And you're much more flexible.
When it comes to applications:
Squeezelite under Squeeze on Arch (SOA) will give you the option to resample to 384khz using the high quality sox library with all its fancy parameters.
You'd keep your Synlogy LMS server running as is and do the resampling on the client.
Squeezelite uses a more efficient sox library compared to the Sox binary as used by the LMS server. Since the resampling is done on the client you don't have a high load on the network. Still you have a pretty high load on the client, which might cause other nasty sideeffects.
A Cubitruck or a fast 4core Wandboard probably manages to do the job.
My Cubitruck runs a 3-way stereo crossover, parametric equaliyzer and phase/time allignment at a load of 32%.
However. I can't promise that you'll get it satifactory working this way.
I never tried 384khz. I don't have a 384kHz DAC.
Good luck.
Hi Soundcheck,
thanks, believe you have a great experience between several Linux kernel and mooding about its !
Today I'm on a poor conf though being enough at ears with a Subbu V3 :
Synology NAS with SB server (via IP protocol) and a Duet receiver (spidf output): so here with the 7.6.3 of Synology : the SB server downsample all materials above 48 K hz! I write them and they don't plan to jump to the next as not supported by Logitech (7.8 and furthers). Of course it's different with a Touch !
Now, I jumped from spidf to USB with an AYA2 (TDA1541) though I listen red books material (but having some higher FS material : less than 5 % I believe).
Off course, I would like the best of SB (not the soft) I had : a remote with a tablett or the smartphone ! And a good distrib as no FIFO and several DACS !
Anybody tested the Cuebox nano computer or the last more powerfull Raspi with I2S outputs ?
Off topic but : do you believe when using USB output, those 5 V nano computer can be improved (about hum) when feeded by a simple 6V alarm battery (so with a huge bench of caps and a cheap low drop reg chip) ?
Have a Synology via AUdiostation package and the USB output his hummy !
The question behind that is : does those isolator chips we saw today are so good for clocks signal (I2S) ? Could be avoided if this nano computer is feeded with a cell or doest it generate itself some noise due to the stressed layout (nano board) ?
Thanks if some experience about that !
I'm looking for a nano with a good distrib for a dac without FIFO, so those things may be important !
thanks, believe you have a great experience between several Linux kernel and mooding about its !
Today I'm on a poor conf though being enough at ears with a Subbu V3 :
Synology NAS with SB server (via IP protocol) and a Duet receiver (spidf output): so here with the 7.6.3 of Synology : the SB server downsample all materials above 48 K hz! I write them and they don't plan to jump to the next as not supported by Logitech (7.8 and furthers). Of course it's different with a Touch !
Now, I jumped from spidf to USB with an AYA2 (TDA1541) though I listen red books material (but having some higher FS material : less than 5 % I believe).
Off course, I would like the best of SB (not the soft) I had : a remote with a tablett or the smartphone ! And a good distrib as no FIFO and several DACS !
Anybody tested the Cuebox nano computer or the last more powerfull Raspi with I2S outputs ?
Off topic but : do you believe when using USB output, those 5 V nano computer can be improved (about hum) when feeded by a simple 6V alarm battery (so with a huge bench of caps and a cheap low drop reg chip) ?
Have a Synology via AUdiostation package and the USB output his hummy !
The question behind that is : does those isolator chips we saw today are so good for clocks signal (I2S) ? Could be avoided if this nano computer is feeded with a cell or doest it generate itself some noise due to the stressed layout (nano board) ?
Thanks if some experience about that !
I'm looking for a nano with a good distrib for a dac without FIFO, so those things may be important !
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I e.g. tuned my Rasberry Pi by adding a good 5V supply and doing some onboard buffering (added some Oscons at several positions).
This improved the RPI Audio over USB performance.
I also use a USB filter (D-/D+), which improves the situation even further.
I then built a custom USB cable. 2 inches solid core silver just D-/D+.
The 5V I skipped. And for the ground I used a seperate star ground point.
I think it's worth it.
I do think that isolators and reclockers are required. But. Most of todays
DAC solutions still suffer from upstream induced distortions. We're not there yet.
This improved the RPI Audio over USB performance.
I also use a USB filter (D-/D+), which improves the situation even further.
I then built a custom USB cable. 2 inches solid core silver just D-/D+.
The 5V I skipped. And for the ground I used a seperate star ground point.
I think it's worth it.
I do think that isolators and reclockers are required. But. Most of todays
DAC solutions still suffer from upstream induced distortions. We're not there yet.
Thanks SC for the inputs !
Ideal situation is isolator and FIFO (with the good buffer), but it's expensive and I can not afford it more than for one DAC (and have too many dacs...sort of virus😀).
Without FIFO & isolator : mooding the server and/or the distrib (OS) helps, despite we don't know which is the worst next evil between output USB and the I2S of those nano boards (because the layout).
I read those one seems to be one of the best without really knowing if true : hummingboard : World's smallest mini computers for XBMC, Android TV & Linux
I believed BBB was good because it can be slaved by a good MCLK or at least a good async usb board which has an MCLK output, but it seems BBB like the old RasPi have some layout problem starting with low FS 98 K hz and further ! Is it an urban legend ? I just don't know and this the reason of this thread : choosing the best trade offs !
As far I can understand, today it seems safer to stream via USB than feed a dac board with the I2S protocol comming from these nano boards (mainly because the bad layout of those boards for our audio needs like the bad internal clocking (if not slaved !).
I really search an easy distrib good for audio with the dedicated soft for streaming with a remote (smartpone, 8080 port not like the 80 port of the Audiostation from Synology) and the good nano computer ... firstly with USB (as async usb board have now isolators !)
Squeezelite on SOA is your best bet ?
Ideal situation is isolator and FIFO (with the good buffer), but it's expensive and I can not afford it more than for one DAC (and have too many dacs...sort of virus😀).
Without FIFO & isolator : mooding the server and/or the distrib (OS) helps, despite we don't know which is the worst next evil between output USB and the I2S of those nano boards (because the layout).
I read those one seems to be one of the best without really knowing if true : hummingboard : World's smallest mini computers for XBMC, Android TV & Linux
I believed BBB was good because it can be slaved by a good MCLK or at least a good async usb board which has an MCLK output, but it seems BBB like the old RasPi have some layout problem starting with low FS 98 K hz and further ! Is it an urban legend ? I just don't know and this the reason of this thread : choosing the best trade offs !
As far I can understand, today it seems safer to stream via USB than feed a dac board with the I2S protocol comming from these nano boards (mainly because the bad layout of those boards for our audio needs like the bad internal clocking (if not slaved !).
I really search an easy distrib good for audio with the dedicated soft for streaming with a remote (smartpone, 8080 port not like the 80 port of the Audiostation from Synology) and the good nano computer ... firstly with USB (as async usb board have now isolators !)
Squeezelite on SOA is your best bet ?
Yes.
I don't like the MPD based systems, such as Volumio or Rune. I'm not saying that they are worse then SOA. Probably they are even better in "audiophile" terms. A stock SOA installation is not tuned for absolute best audiophile performance. The stock SOA is still really good though.
The nice thing is. If you have e.g. an RPI B+, you just install all three systems on 3 SD-cards and compare them.
Your Synology NAS then runs as server and can serve all three installations. Rune and Volumio use Samba and SOA uses LMS.
However. I prefer - by a large margin - the squeeze remote control options via Android/iOS. No way I'd accept anything that's worse. That's one main reason why I stick with LMS and squeezelite.
Beside that LMS and squeezelite is a real client-server system. MPD based systems are more or less standalone systems.
As living room system I'm running an RPI B+ (HW tuned and linear supply) with SOA (SW slightly tuned). I'm more than happy with it. It's the best setup I ever had.
It runs at 0,6% CPU load while streaming 44.1/16 PCMs.
Advise:
When selecting an ARM board, the key is to get the board with the best manufacturer and community firmware/SW support. RPI wins that battle
by a very large margin. RPI falls short if you want to run DSP duties.
I wouldn't buy the Cuboxes. The Cubitruck is IMO the much better board. It even comes with SATA. You can also run it from a 3.6V battery. 2GB RAM.
GBit ethernet ....
The RPI 2 is still a bit new. Specs are much better. However. I'll wait some more months to have a look at it. Usually it takes several months to get firmware and OSses stabilized.
Agree with you, those remote client for Smartphones are great and far much faster than the SB remote controll device !
Problem with LMS and Synology 5.x OS : it runs LMS with the 7.6.3 LMS distrib (only 98 K hz so will downsample all upper material, even at 48 K hz if it "sees" a Duet device ! )
But I saw some non supported soft to package (encapsuling) our own .spk to load it on the Synology NAS ! I will try with foobar 2000 because also sox and HDCD proof with the good extension... but finally ask directly Synology to do it, they will think of it but didn't say no as they did for the LMS 7.8 (192 K hz proof) !
Problem with LMS and Synology 5.x OS : it runs LMS with the 7.6.3 LMS distrib (only 98 K hz so will downsample all upper material, even at 48 K hz if it "sees" a Duet device ! )
But I saw some non supported soft to package (encapsuling) our own .spk to load it on the Synology NAS ! I will try with foobar 2000 because also sox and HDCD proof with the good extension... but finally ask directly Synology to do it, they will think of it but didn't say no as they did for the LMS 7.8 (192 K hz proof) !
Hi.
To be honest. At some point you have to revise your base.
I'd trash the Synology and the Duet. These devices will always be a bottleneck.
A Cubitruck + SOA will act as a server and player with latest LMS 7.9 and latest squeezelite and all Triode DSD patches onboard.
Hook that up to a nice 5V supply, add a 2.5 inch 2TB Sata HD with seperate 5V supply and you'll be set.
The CT sells at around 90€ over here. It's not what I would call a major obstacle.
Later you can extent the system by a RPI.
Cheers
To be honest. At some point you have to revise your base.
I'd trash the Synology and the Duet. These devices will always be a bottleneck.
A Cubitruck + SOA will act as a server and player with latest LMS 7.9 and latest squeezelite and all Triode DSD patches onboard.
Hook that up to a nice 5V supply, add a 2.5 inch 2TB Sata HD with seperate 5V supply and you'll be set.
The CT sells at around 90€ over here. It's not what I would call a major obstacle.
Later you can extent the system by a RPI.
Cheers
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To be also totaly honnest, I think you right for the Duet, and it is now moded on a second system with a Subbu V3 DAC and give enough good result on my KEF 104/2 ref second system!
But think your not right about the Synology as he can be keeped as a DNLA media server, and it serves to me to play sometimes with VMWarewith some others disk/conf. But firstly, it is already bought and pluged to my home LAN ! 😀
I bought it maybe 6 or 7 years ago for home as I was IT manager and didn't want to work after a rude journey where I managed some enginers to allow them to look at the same direction without egos explosions, manage the geographicals infrastrctures, suppliers, final internal client andd MOA for the direction staffs... explain to each of them IT is not a plot, etc, etc... more and more with less budgets and time ! Tiring !
So those Plug'n play was perfect to me with the Duet, focusing only at home with the lego plays of simple tweaks with caps, powersupply, tweaks !
A 2 To Raid 1 Syno server with low electrical cunsumption, movies & musics server for the family & friends with easy rights to manage ...et voilà, giving enough time to have a rest at evening and a little time for my hobby and soldering iron!
But it was before ! Now I have an USB DAC, the Synology should be perfect with a Ian FIFO as all the Synologies defaults/distribs would be killed by a good reclocking/FIFO/active isolator...leaving the OS mods for the prehistorical hystory! But as life is not perfect, can not afford one FIFO for each of my multiple DACs 🙁 !
I believe I should follow your advise but staying on Synology Raid 1 as :
- trashing it will be a loss
- I changed one of the two disks (2 To each) few time ago !
- manage my hobby with few money and the same as the job: with TCO concept.
Go for your solution for a sane base despite the non envy to dive in Linux (have no pleasure modding the OS and servers as it was my first basic job and have no really satisfaction doing it at home).
So go for a Cubitruck to manage the "Data store", the "bay disks" what ever you call it but here the Synology 2 disks aera !
I remember you advised to me the Cubitruck one year ago but wait for the new release A80 much more body builded... was it launched ? 😕
Despite the better outport management of Windows with the drivers since x64 and the possibility to have a (lighted?) W10 with the new RPI for free, I believe your right again going to Pinguin (in the case of no FIFO before the DAC).
thanks for the hints about SOA, I will have a look at it !
regards,
Eldam
But think your not right about the Synology as he can be keeped as a DNLA media server, and it serves to me to play sometimes with VMWarewith some others disk/conf. But firstly, it is already bought and pluged to my home LAN ! 😀
I bought it maybe 6 or 7 years ago for home as I was IT manager and didn't want to work after a rude journey where I managed some enginers to allow them to look at the same direction without egos explosions, manage the geographicals infrastrctures, suppliers, final internal client andd MOA for the direction staffs... explain to each of them IT is not a plot, etc, etc... more and more with less budgets and time ! Tiring !
So those Plug'n play was perfect to me with the Duet, focusing only at home with the lego plays of simple tweaks with caps, powersupply, tweaks !
A 2 To Raid 1 Syno server with low electrical cunsumption, movies & musics server for the family & friends with easy rights to manage ...et voilà, giving enough time to have a rest at evening and a little time for my hobby and soldering iron!
But it was before ! Now I have an USB DAC, the Synology should be perfect with a Ian FIFO as all the Synologies defaults/distribs would be killed by a good reclocking/FIFO/active isolator...leaving the OS mods for the prehistorical hystory! But as life is not perfect, can not afford one FIFO for each of my multiple DACs 🙁 !
I believe I should follow your advise but staying on Synology Raid 1 as :
- trashing it will be a loss
- I changed one of the two disks (2 To each) few time ago !
- manage my hobby with few money and the same as the job: with TCO concept.
Go for your solution for a sane base despite the non envy to dive in Linux (have no pleasure modding the OS and servers as it was my first basic job and have no really satisfaction doing it at home).
So go for a Cubitruck to manage the "Data store", the "bay disks" what ever you call it but here the Synology 2 disks aera !
I remember you advised to me the Cubitruck one year ago but wait for the new release A80 much more body builded... was it launched ? 😕
Despite the better outport management of Windows with the drivers since x64 and the possibility to have a (lighted?) W10 with the new RPI for free, I believe your right again going to Pinguin (in the case of no FIFO before the DAC).
thanks for the hints about SOA, I will have a look at it !
regards,
Eldam
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The problem I have with stuff like Synology NAS (a friend of mine recently bought a device) is the software maintenance part and its inflexibility.
As you've experienced it yourself. Your LMS is outdated like hell and you probably won't ever see an update to 7.9.
LMS offers a DLNA plugin btw. At least my 7.9 version. 😉
SOA also offers network file sharing.
Up 2 here you can work via browser with SOA and that includes SOA installation. No Linux hacking up 2 this point at least.
The rather new Cubiboard 4 with A80 is still not well supported on the SW side. You won't find images on the net. The community activity around that board is more or less not existing.
It is twice as expensive as the Cubitruck. It doesn't have SATA anymore. No way I would recommend to go for that board. I'd still go for the Cubitruck.
BTW:
I thought you bought a Soekris DAC with USB IF, which would make IANs stuff and SPDIF obsolete.
And:
HDD management (backup/restore/copy) for my network server I do on a fast desktop PC. Moving terrabytes on a NAS from here to there I consider most annoying.
As you've experienced it yourself. Your LMS is outdated like hell and you probably won't ever see an update to 7.9.
LMS offers a DLNA plugin btw. At least my 7.9 version. 😉
SOA also offers network file sharing.
Up 2 here you can work via browser with SOA and that includes SOA installation. No Linux hacking up 2 this point at least.
The rather new Cubiboard 4 with A80 is still not well supported on the SW side. You won't find images on the net. The community activity around that board is more or less not existing.
It is twice as expensive as the Cubitruck. It doesn't have SATA anymore. No way I would recommend to go for that board. I'd still go for the Cubitruck.
BTW:
I thought you bought a Soekris DAC with USB IF, which would make IANs stuff and SPDIF obsolete.
And:
HDD management (backup/restore/copy) for my network server I do on a fast desktop PC. Moving terrabytes on a NAS from here to there I consider most annoying.
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Nore a 7.8 at 192 K hz as they answered to me already, that's why I just want to keep it at simple datastore (just because having it already). And yes agree though it's why I bought it : solid and no problem with updates ! Just forget it and it was my whish !
No problem to use multiple DNLA servers/devices in a LAN. It's possible according to me.
Ah, good point for this SOA 🙂 ! Ok for the CubieTruck if better than the new Raspi (according what you said about support of the communauty 🙂
Ah, it's exactly what you said about support and as you're IT you can understand : proof of concept ! on the paper Soekris stuff was good but not in situation ! poor stock sound to me, a lot of defaults, some maybe not reversible; launched to fast (which is a non sense for a commercial product as it's not really open!)... So I sold it as I have no time to give to it and asuure you than Ian's product are more "mature" (finished I mean 🙂 ) and will sound better with a multibit dac of shelf ! So here we can say the product was obsolete as soon as launched. I have no doubt with the communauty, a V2 will be great and the V1 improved as far the brillant members can do with the layout they have with the board ! Btw Ian's stuff are not limited to spidf ! It works with any I2S, USB, splitted I2S Data, etc !
Ah, HDD management, paste & copy... No problem with my Raid 1, to copy, restore, upload, download...as well from a 8080 port, so easy ! And of course have a simple copy of the files elswhere in case of fire, thieves , earthstrike, whatever... As I'm lazy, it's not an asynchrone geocluster on line... It's just a 2.5 HDD keeped elswhere and backuped onece a year while drinking a bottle of wine ( !).
cheers
No problem to use multiple DNLA servers/devices in a LAN. It's possible according to me.
Ah, good point for this SOA 🙂 ! Ok for the CubieTruck if better than the new Raspi (according what you said about support of the communauty 🙂
Ah, it's exactly what you said about support and as you're IT you can understand : proof of concept ! on the paper Soekris stuff was good but not in situation ! poor stock sound to me, a lot of defaults, some maybe not reversible; launched to fast (which is a non sense for a commercial product as it's not really open!)... So I sold it as I have no time to give to it and asuure you than Ian's product are more "mature" (finished I mean 🙂 ) and will sound better with a multibit dac of shelf ! So here we can say the product was obsolete as soon as launched. I have no doubt with the communauty, a V2 will be great and the V1 improved as far the brillant members can do with the layout they have with the board ! Btw Ian's stuff are not limited to spidf ! It works with any I2S, USB, splitted I2S Data, etc !
Ah, HDD management, paste & copy... No problem with my Raid 1, to copy, restore, upload, download...as well from a 8080 port, so easy ! And of course have a simple copy of the files elswhere in case of fire, thieves , earthstrike, whatever... As I'm lazy, it's not an asynchrone geocluster on line... It's just a 2.5 HDD keeped elswhere and backuped onece a year while drinking a bottle of wine ( !).
cheers
x64 Linux or x64 W10 possible on a Nano with arm7 ?
x64 important for the SQ final result in the case of no FIFO/reclocking job by dedicated device after a nano?
Must go on a cheap ARM8, the cheap 60 euros Cunietruck ?
x64 important for the SQ final result in the case of no FIFO/reclocking job by dedicated device after a nano?
Must go on a cheap ARM8, the cheap 60 euros Cunietruck ?
Hi Soundcheck,
Without FIFO and reclocker but with an USB to I2S board à la Amareno like but with an isolator :
what distrib sounds best to you ? Till SOA ?
I'm confused after have been reading this thread : http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digi...inux-servers-soekris-dam1021.html#post4265725 It's first talk about both plateforms and distrib for a direct nano board to I2S, but with an external USB to I2S board as well !
Is SOA a standalone plateform or the plateform than Volumio or Rune Audio is using ( Squeeze over Arch) with some graphic and usefull installation layers ?
SOA seems to be the most difficult to implement because the multiple adds-on ! Any else easier distribs for a non Linux fan (I can putt the hand on it but frankly if I could avoid with a bootable and just the normal network setups, I would prefer !) ?
I totally with you when it comes to choose one distrib which allow on the fly oversampling if the user want it (or not, but has the choice) as I would like to compare NOS and oversampling !
SOA
PiCorePlayer
Voyage
Rune Audio
Volumio
Kodi
Botic
? They seems not sounding the same !
Could I use my squeeze remote control in the same time that a smartphone on Android with all the LMS (or SOA?) based distrib !
Looking for a good trade off with facility, sound, money (don't want to try all the plateforms)... and without latence when changing of tracks on a big Library)
So you advised the expensive Cubietruck in the relation of the half priced new Rasberry because the non usb HDD drive management (on the CubbieT) ?Or also because the ram (x2) ?
Does all the distribs need to be tunned as you do when no fifo or reclocker before the dac chip ?
Does a battery feeded nano give better hearable results ?
thanks for your advices... I really have the fear to have not the patience to play with all the pieces of SOA (https://github.com/SqueezeOnArch/soa-aur) 😱. Or maybe I don't understand : there is maybe an SOA to allow just to boot from a standalone SOA packet loaded on a micro sd card ( to boot from an ARM ? and just setup it from an explorer and voilà ! ) ?
Frankly I would have choosed Daphile with an old no fans x32/x64 pc, but read Daphile have some problems with indexations (and have not soax for upsampling on the fly !)
I can stay with the Synology (for saving money) just as a DNLA or disks managements device (mine is raid one, though there is no battery buffer on the Raid controller pcb in case of disk crash to avoid errors on the second one ! I have always a swap elswhere in France on a simple disk with the raw datas)
cheers
(no difference today with the new boards between and sound result between a x32 ARM (ARM7?) or ax64 one (ARM8)... sorry for my lacke of culture about Linux and ARM architectures ! All this distrib are for the ARM7 ?
Without FIFO and reclocker but with an USB to I2S board à la Amareno like but with an isolator :
what distrib sounds best to you ? Till SOA ?
I'm confused after have been reading this thread : http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digi...inux-servers-soekris-dam1021.html#post4265725 It's first talk about both plateforms and distrib for a direct nano board to I2S, but with an external USB to I2S board as well !
Is SOA a standalone plateform or the plateform than Volumio or Rune Audio is using ( Squeeze over Arch) with some graphic and usefull installation layers ?
SOA seems to be the most difficult to implement because the multiple adds-on ! Any else easier distribs for a non Linux fan (I can putt the hand on it but frankly if I could avoid with a bootable and just the normal network setups, I would prefer !) ?
I totally with you when it comes to choose one distrib which allow on the fly oversampling if the user want it (or not, but has the choice) as I would like to compare NOS and oversampling !
SOA
PiCorePlayer
Voyage
Rune Audio
Volumio
Kodi
Botic
? They seems not sounding the same !
Could I use my squeeze remote control in the same time that a smartphone on Android with all the LMS (or SOA?) based distrib !
Looking for a good trade off with facility, sound, money (don't want to try all the plateforms)... and without latence when changing of tracks on a big Library)
So you advised the expensive Cubietruck in the relation of the half priced new Rasberry because the non usb HDD drive management (on the CubbieT) ?Or also because the ram (x2) ?
Does all the distribs need to be tunned as you do when no fifo or reclocker before the dac chip ?
Does a battery feeded nano give better hearable results ?
thanks for your advices... I really have the fear to have not the patience to play with all the pieces of SOA (https://github.com/SqueezeOnArch/soa-aur) 😱. Or maybe I don't understand : there is maybe an SOA to allow just to boot from a standalone SOA packet loaded on a micro sd card ( to boot from an ARM ? and just setup it from an explorer and voilà ! ) ?
Frankly I would have choosed Daphile with an old no fans x32/x64 pc, but read Daphile have some problems with indexations (and have not soax for upsampling on the fly !)
I can stay with the Synology (for saving money) just as a DNLA or disks managements device (mine is raid one, though there is no battery buffer on the Raid controller pcb in case of disk crash to avoid errors on the second one ! I have always a swap elswhere in France on a simple disk with the raw datas)
cheers
(no difference today with the new boards between and sound result between a x32 ARM (ARM7?) or ax64 one (ARM8)... sorry for my lacke of culture about Linux and ARM architectures ! All this distrib are for the ARM7 ?
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1.
You can simply install SOA by copying the SOA image to SD card.
Then you boot the SD card up and connect to the arm client via
web browser.
From there you can do any configuration.
No need for any Linux knowledge with SOA!!
2.
I2S audio directly taken from an ARM board requires a "proprietary" I2S driver in the kernel to do so. Not all boards offer direct I2S support. The RPI
offers direct I2S access, the Cubitruck requires HW modifications to take off I2S.
The I2S quality of any of these boards is pretty basic. It needs reclockers or isolators to get best results.
I'd stick to a well done USB to I2S interface.
And. Stay away from proprietary drivers!! You might never get your device properly working. There usually is limited support (manufacturer and community)
3.
The Cubitruck offers a lot of stuff. That includes e.g. Sata, 2GB RAM, GB ethernet.
4.
soundquality depends on several factors. SW setup and HW (good power supply asf.) usually have an impact on sound.
If you own the perfect DAC the audio client shouldn't have any impact.
If you push the limits on any platform you'll get comparable results.
The setup slightly differs from platform to platform.
5.
I would not use a NAS and a server and a client. U can use the Synology
as LMS server. You will face problems when it comes to newest features such as DoP.
I'll stop here.
Good luck.
You can simply install SOA by copying the SOA image to SD card.
Then you boot the SD card up and connect to the arm client via
web browser.
From there you can do any configuration.
No need for any Linux knowledge with SOA!!
2.
I2S audio directly taken from an ARM board requires a "proprietary" I2S driver in the kernel to do so. Not all boards offer direct I2S support. The RPI
offers direct I2S access, the Cubitruck requires HW modifications to take off I2S.
The I2S quality of any of these boards is pretty basic. It needs reclockers or isolators to get best results.
I'd stick to a well done USB to I2S interface.
And. Stay away from proprietary drivers!! You might never get your device properly working. There usually is limited support (manufacturer and community)
3.
The Cubitruck offers a lot of stuff. That includes e.g. Sata, 2GB RAM, GB ethernet.
4.
soundquality depends on several factors. SW setup and HW (good power supply asf.) usually have an impact on sound.
If you own the perfect DAC the audio client shouldn't have any impact.
If you push the limits on any platform you'll get comparable results.
The setup slightly differs from platform to platform.
5.
I would not use a NAS and a server and a client. U can use the Synology
as LMS server. You will face problems when it comes to newest features such as DoP.
I'll stop here.
Good luck.
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