FR measurements and gate time

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Doing some cabinet shape vs FR work and have a question....

Why the 5 db drop in level when switch from a 1 ms gate to a 0.5 ms gate??

1st pic is 1ms, 2nd is 0.5ms
 

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Can you post a picture of the impulse response + gates (time domain)?

By the way, 0.5 ms gate results in a frequency resolution of 2 kHz, which isn't that great. The gate length must be at least a few cycles of the frequencies of interest for some accuracy.
 
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Can you post a picture of the impulse response + gates (time domain)?

By the way, 0.5 ms gate results in a frequency resolution of 2 kHz, which isn't that great. The gate length must be at least a few cycles of the frequencies of interest for some accuracy.

understand, but what confuses me is the across the board drop of about 5 db when gate is down at .5ms

I can get some pulse responses this weekend
 
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It appears that there's some ringing in your second plot.

What are the drivers you are using and what music player is generating the sweep.


The driver is a 75mm long by 16mm wide ribbon under development at the moment
The measurment equipment and sine sweep are all done with OMNI MIC. Electronics are just the lab rat Yamaha reciever.

These FR measures are very close to whats measured in the normal measurment room so dont think the shop environment is causing too much issue

This measure was taken on the fly in the shop ( not the normal measurement room), and there are structures close by wich may be the ringing?? BTW note the dB scale. I was actually just working on cabinet / baffle shape size when I noticed this 5 db drop when going to a very low .5 ms gate.
 
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For 0.5 ms gate length, I would discard information below 8 kHz (4 periods within gate). The fact that the frequency responses from 8 - 20 kHz differ between these plots, implies that the impulse has not sufficiently decayed within the gate time. Note that the software calculates the total energy within the gate, as a function of frequency. As the 0.5 ms gate is not sufficiently long to capture the full impulse, it misses the impulse response energy that happens after 0.5 ms. Apparently the 1 ms gate captures nearly twice as much energy (+6 dB) as compared to the 0.5 ms gate.

There should be no difference in frequency response as calculated from a sufficiently long gate and an even longer gate, as both capture the full impulse response. The latter only contains more silence after the impulse has decayed.


Here is some information about gating: B&O Tech: The Cube – earfluff and eyecandy
An interesting note he makes (at the bottom of the page) is that loudspeakers with low frequency output require longer gates, even to see what is happening at high frequencies.



It appears that there's some ringing in your second plot.
What do you mean by 'ringing'?
 
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I did a sweep with my Fountek NeoCD3.5H with a cap in series. No smoothing is applied. dB Scale is at 1dB.

Blue trace is at 1ms wndow, Red is at 0.5ms.

There is indeed a 5dB drop in response.

However, anything longer than 1ms results in the same amplitude.

What do you mean by 'ringing'?

My bad. I thought it was at 5dB resolution.
 

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