Thanks very much for letting me know about the problem with sitting against the back wall. I’m afraid that’s going to be a real issue for me due again to the WAF even in the new music room. She wants the chair against the back wall for appearance sake, since you can see into the room when walking by it. I need to win that battle now, or maybe not even bother doing it.
Nothing to be embarrassed about. My goal is to achieve exactly that same level of emotion. Not only for arias, but for classical pieces as well. There are some violin concertos that can bring me to tears if the sound quality is good enough. Seems to me that’s the whole purpose of listening in the first place.
I'll take a look at the corner placement you suggest. Might not be easy to achieve in this particular room, but certainly worth considering. Perhaps could even solve my chair against the back wall problem. Thanks.
Last edited:
The first time I truly heard the magic was with a time aligned 2 way plus sub in a car. I was experimenting with (active) crossovers and had low order slopes set at that time. That resulted in a quest of creating new home speakers, preferably without any crossover at all but with a wide frequency coverage.
I have been on a quest ever since and learned quite a lot of what I like.
Music is emotion and, like adason, my speakers have moved me to tears on (way) more than a few occasions.
What I deem important is how well you get your speakers to play within the room. Get them to work together. I wanted to have that in our living room without upsetting my girl, so I searched for compromises that we both could live with. I'm pretty sure not all the 'wife's/girlfriends' could live with the compromises we arrived at, my speakers can't be called small by any means. But they do allow me to get me the magic without upsetting the function of our room too much.
I had looked into open baffle, that would never fly in my home as I wasn't allowed to place them far enough out into the room. I figured horns, like synergies, would get me there but it would never get the 'waf' seal, she did not like that idea at all
.
So I ended up with what I thought would/could work and would still be acceptable in our room (I guess I got lucky). I ended up with arrays of full range speakers because they would take up very little floor space while still having a lot of potential. I'm glad to say it worked out very well.
Find the compromise you (both) can live with, out in your environment and work at it. Don't focus on speakers alone but figure out how it could work together within your particular room and with your waf demands.
What I have done might not work for you, but to get great audio in a room it would have to be able to work with the room.
P.S. Most of the people here are into the hobby of building speakers, trying different things each time etc. I was out on a quest of finding a solution and these speakers I ended up building are the first set I build with no desire or intention to build anything else. I do continue to try and better the setup, meaning the room as well as the speakers. I'm even going to try adding some subs, so I'm still building something. Improve on what I've got, though. So that became my version of this DIY hobby. But the end goal is and will ever be the enjoyment of the magic in the music.
I have been on a quest ever since and learned quite a lot of what I like.
Music is emotion and, like adason, my speakers have moved me to tears on (way) more than a few occasions.
What I deem important is how well you get your speakers to play within the room. Get them to work together. I wanted to have that in our living room without upsetting my girl, so I searched for compromises that we both could live with. I'm pretty sure not all the 'wife's/girlfriends' could live with the compromises we arrived at, my speakers can't be called small by any means. But they do allow me to get me the magic without upsetting the function of our room too much.
I had looked into open baffle, that would never fly in my home as I wasn't allowed to place them far enough out into the room. I figured horns, like synergies, would get me there but it would never get the 'waf' seal, she did not like that idea at all
. So I ended up with what I thought would/could work and would still be acceptable in our room (I guess I got lucky). I ended up with arrays of full range speakers because they would take up very little floor space while still having a lot of potential. I'm glad to say it worked out very well.
Find the compromise you (both) can live with, out in your environment and work at it. Don't focus on speakers alone but figure out how it could work together within your particular room and with your waf demands.
What I have done might not work for you, but to get great audio in a room it would have to be able to work with the room.
P.S. Most of the people here are into the hobby of building speakers, trying different things each time etc. I was out on a quest of finding a solution and these speakers I ended up building are the first set I build with no desire or intention to build anything else. I do continue to try and better the setup, meaning the room as well as the speakers. I'm even going to try adding some subs, so I'm still building something
. Improve on what I've got, though. So that became my version of this DIY hobby. But the end goal is and will ever be the enjoyment of the magic in the music.
Last edited:
Lots to discuss here. Pot opened my mind 50+ years ago but then I went through and have no use for it now. Music is magic. Accessing it - cleansing our filters - is not a simple matter, and your cramped space is going to need a systematic solution. Sorry the W won't allow you a room of your own, but such is marriage for most of us. Have fun sorting this out, and as they say at our local casino, luck happens!
Mozart Grand Partita on my radio right now thank you KQAC.
Mozart Grand Partita on my radio right now thank you KQAC.
I like to say I am no expert but IME, the speakers need to somewhat match the space. My last two dedicated listening rooms were smallish - 11'x12' - and it is hard to avoid overwhelming sound. A small full range with bass assist might be a good solution. Another solution that I am currently using is that I got the KEF Q350 speakers off of ebay. I added a Dayton 8" aluminum woofer (rolled off at 420hz) after about a month and it is very good sound in my small living room. I am working on plans to build a 28'x42' garage and can not wait to build my SOTA (to me) open baffle/hybrid system - LARGE SPACE.
@wesayso and others,
I have been on a quest ever since and learned quite a lot of what I like.
Music is emotion and, like adason, my speakers have moved me to tears on (way) more than a few occasions.
What I deem important is how well you get your speakers to play within the room. Get them to work together. I wanted to have that in our living room without upsetting my girl, so I searched for compromises that we both could live with. I'm pretty sure not all the 'wife's/girlfriends' could live with the compromises we arrived at, my speakers can't be called small by any means. But they do allow me to get me the magic without upsetting the function of our room too much./I]
Not to derail your efforts and achievements, but I would like to say as goes...
I'm happy I can be moved by great music or by films that are portrayed with substandard quality. i think most musicians or "normal" people are able to subtract the "noise" and get to the core of music without resorting to get the last bit of resolution. It will never be obtained anyway! However, it is interesting to read about your accomplishments)
With all due respect,
Peter
I have been on a quest ever since and learned quite a lot of what I like.
Music is emotion and, like adason, my speakers have moved me to tears on (way) more than a few occasions.
What I deem important is how well you get your speakers to play within the room. Get them to work together. I wanted to have that in our living room without upsetting my girl, so I searched for compromises that we both could live with. I'm pretty sure not all the 'wife's/girlfriends' could live with the compromises we arrived at, my speakers can't be called small by any means. But they do allow me to get me the magic without upsetting the function of our room too much./I]
Not to derail your efforts and achievements, but I would like to say as goes...
I'm happy I can be moved by great music or by films that are portrayed with substandard quality. i think most musicians or "normal" people are able to subtract the "noise" and get to the core of music without resorting to get the last bit of resolution. It will never be obtained anyway! However, it is interesting to read about your accomplishments
) With all due respect,
Peter
No harm there... I can still enjoy listening to a table radio at times . And I'll never accept it that my collection would shrink down to a few audiophile proven tracks.
I'm just having fun getting the best sound I can out of the "soundtrack of my life". You know, all of the songs and performances I grew up with.
As a musician you've probably encountered places where the sound was really 'stimulating' for lack of finding a better word. That's what I look for.
I do measure a lot, but if it measures great and doesn't sound right, I must have been measuring the wrong things. That's why I do try a little harder, to find what "clicks".
It can be a trap though, fixing one thing may lead to something else. Just don't ever forget to listen to the music you (really) love and you'll be fine!
. And I'll never accept it that my collection would shrink down to a few audiophile proven tracks.I'm just having fun getting the best sound I can out of the "soundtrack of my life". You know, all of the songs and performances I grew up with.
As a musician you've probably encountered places where the sound was really 'stimulating' for lack of finding a better word. That's what I look for.
I do measure a lot, but if it measures great and doesn't sound right, I must have been measuring the wrong things. That's why I do try a little harder, to find what "clicks".
It can be a trap though, fixing one thing may lead to something else. Just don't ever forget to listen to the music you (really) love and you'll be fine!
Last edited:
This reminds me chapters in the book from Gizmo, 'Search for Musical Ecstasy'.
Fun read!
The Search for Musical Ecstasy (Book One: In the Home): Harvey "Gizmo" Rosenberg: 9781884250019: Amazon.com: Books
Fun read!
The Search for Musical Ecstasy (Book One: In the Home): Harvey "Gizmo" Rosenberg: 9781884250019: Amazon.com: Books
To the OP-
If you have to have the chair/couch against the back wall, then I strongly encourage you to place absorptive tiles above the couch/Unfortunately, this may not pass WAF muster either. At least a foot above and below your head if the couch/chair is shorter than you. This will help immensely.
Wolf
If you have to have the chair/couch against the back wall, then I strongly encourage you to place absorptive tiles above the couch/Unfortunately, this may not pass WAF muster either. At least a foot above and below your head if the couch/chair is shorter than you. This will help immensely.
Wolf
Thanks, Wolf. I was considering that also, but think I may have avoided the problem by prevailing in the matter. Last time around there was a WAF issue, but it looks like she has now agreed to whatever I want to do. At least for now. Last words I heard were: "OK, I guess we'll just keep the door closed." And I think I'm smart enough to just shut up at this point and say no more about it.
There was going to be another problem anyhow, since keep the chair along the back wall would have force the speakers to be way out in the middle of the room in order to maintain the listening position at the apex of the equilateral triangle with the speakers. And she would not have liked that any better. So I think we're good for now.
But I have another question. Is listening at the apex of the triangle considered near field or far field? Based on some of the comments I have read it's not exactly clear.
When I think near field I am thinking inside of 6 feet or so and generally listening position inside the equilateral triangle. (closer)
Glad she's Giving you some freedom for the setup. A couple of thoughts: I believe furniture against the wall is frowned on in interior design??
Also, if you can find a piece of music that you know she'd love that also sounds amazing, get two glasses of wine in her and then drag her in there to give her a little taste of the magic. My wife now loves snuggling in the listening room and doesn't give me any heat about it. She even let me move a pair of huge 3 ways into the main living room. Good luck! Craig
This contradicts my experience of having absorbtion near back of my head at listening position, it just sounds very unnatural. I very much prefere reflection or diffusion. Sitting close to the wall behind do process some difficulties regarding low freq boost.
Diffusion is the other method, and it does depend on the room. I do know that with nothing there in past experiences that there are reflections that just drove me crazy.
In my living room, there is a double door arch behind my couch into the next room, so I don't have this issue myself.
Later,
Wolf
In my living room, there is a double door arch behind my couch into the next room, so I don't have this issue myself.
Later,
Wolf
- Status
- This old topic is closed. If you want to reopen this topic, contact a moderator using the "Report Post" button.