Well now ... not necessarily.
I sold hifi while wearing Armani suits for over a dozen years.
I've seen a slew of gear with "better specs" sound worse.
We listen to music, not specifications.
This whole lowest possible distortion kick hasn't necessarily made for better sounding music!
Maybe if I listened to zero noise recordings at full volume, trying to hear any slight hiss...
But music is emotional, and so far Purifi and Hypex have removed the emotional aspect in my experience.
I sold hifi while wearing Armani suits for over a dozen years.
I've seen a slew of gear with "better specs" sound worse.
We listen to music, not specifications.
This whole lowest possible distortion kick hasn't necessarily made for better sounding music!
Maybe if I listened to zero noise recordings at full volume, trying to hear any slight hiss...
But music is emotional, and so far Purifi and Hypex have removed the emotional aspect in my experience.
Were the amps level matched? Was it a blind comparison? Since nothing is mentioned of taking any steps to eliminate any bias, it is ALL opinion....nothing objective about it...
It was performed correctly CAB. Many of us being 40 yr hifi veterans. John Curl was there.
Bias ? We were all excited to hear the Hypex amplifier. Noone wanted it to fail.
Maybe some midfi newbies without tons of experience. But we knew what was up, 😆.
I apologize to anyone that gets bothered by my posts. I respect the fact that noone wants to consider the opinion that outdated amplifiers can bring more musical enjoyment. Especially proud owners of the best new amp technology.
All I can say, is never compare a truly reference level Class AB amplifier like the BEL. It leaves zero bias, zero opinion, zero doubts.
If you have heard straight wire wire gain, disliked it, and opted for something else, you necessarily prefer a colored amp. The color strikes you as neutral, but if it is a deviation from straight wire with gain then it objectively isn't. Whether it is more lifelike to you or not is irrelevant to that conversation. Neutral isn't better. Neutral is neutral. What's better is whichever you prefer.Yep beliefs ... opinions, etc.
I have zero clue why a straight wire with gain doesn't sound lifelike to me. It's not lack of colors. I don't listen to colored gear. But it's the lack of realism and musical joy that is missing.
Here's a simple analogy:
I was at a friend's house who has an amazing reference level system and listening room. We had about 20 people over for our hihi meet.
The room was crowded listening to the music. Track after track were amazing.
Then someone switched over to a Hypex based high end amplifier.
Within 5 minutes the room had 4 people in it, as the rest walked away to talk. The magic had left, and people had heard it. We discussed it even.
This had nothing to do with opinions or beliefs.
No one is saying that, and you are twisting words if you're claiming we are.I respect the fact that noone wants to consider the fact that outdated amplifiers can bring more musical enjoyment.
People are genuinely trying to help you. You talk up your bel like it's world class, and people recommend world class equipment to replace it. This has nothing to do with the merits of class d vs class AB. Come on manI'm a bit surprised that $16,000 monoblocks were suggested. Is this what it takes to equal $2000 of Class AB amplifiers?
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They have removed the distortion.Well now ... not necessarily.
I sold hifi while wearing Armani suits for over a dozen years.
I've seen a slew of gear with "better specs" sound worse.
We listen to music, not specifications.
This whole lowest possible distortion kick hasn't necessarily made for better sounding music!
Maybe if I listened to zero noise recordings at full volume, trying to hear any slight hiss...
But music is emotional, and so far Purifi and Hypex have removed the emotional aspect in my experience.
John Curl was there.
Nothing more needs to be said. Is he still peddling Bybee Quantum Purifier?
But music is emotional, and so far Purifi and Hypex have removed the emotional aspect in my experience.
There is no doubt that Nelson Pass would have no trouble to design amplifiers with -120 dB distortion. However, he chose to design amplifiers with a certain distortion profile (still very low level). His business thrives. Wonder why?They have removed the distortion.
Yup, those amplifiers sound ‘musical’ and ‘lifelike’. Nothing wrong with that. 🙂
I prefer a wire with gain.
One could be the rest of your system... ever considered that?Yep beliefs ... opinions, etc.
I have zero clue why a straight wire with gain doesn't sound lifelike to me. ....
It could have a fault that needs added distortion to listen to.
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Because some people like distortion?There is no doubt that Nelson Pass would have no trouble to design amplifiers with -120 dB distortion. However, he chose to design amplifiers with a certain distortion profile (still very low level). His business thrives. Wonder why?
Yup, those amplifiers sound ‘musical’ and ‘lifelike’. Nothing wrong with that. 🙂
I prefer a wire with gain.
You know. One of the execs on my board has a great saying. Some people are rocks and they’re open to no new ideas. Others are sponges that are open to all opposing theories. Rocks sink. Sponges rise.You either believe in facts and science or you don't.
Not when they are full of bs or water....
You know. One of the execs on my board has a great saying. Some people are rocks and they’re open to no new ideas. Others are sponges that are open to all opposing theories. Rocks sink. Sponges rise.
Well, you wanted a very good amp... 😀I'm a bit surprised that $16,000 monoblocks were suggested. Is this what it takes to equal $2000 of Class AB amplifiers?
Neurochrome options are much more affordable... You choose...
And engineers build a boat and keep dry feet... 😀You know. One of the execs on my board has a great saying. Some people are rocks and they’re open to no new ideas. Others are sponges that are open to all opposing theories. Rocks sink. Sponges rise.
Yes, in any view there are exceptions.I do this.
Nothing in the Audio world is absolute.
I don't think there is much need to check, nowadays virtually any amplifier has low distortion.As long as the distortion is low
Which certainly does not identify "how it sounds".
I do not believe at all the ******** that is written only for free advertising, I only believe what I hear of that amplifier in my system.
But I know that I also have to give it some further chances because you can always do something wrong.
After doing your tests you can give your opinion.
After all, you are the one who spends your money and you must also like it aesthetically or with any parameter you want as a priority.
Yes and no.then for an amplifier "sound" you will soon get used to after a while.
Yes, because there is no doubt that you will get used to just anything.
Where I come from there is a saying that goes: "One gets used to even beatings".
No, because then it would seem that given a certain amount and type of distortion then all amplifiers sound the same and evidently this cannot be the case.
Please note that for all those who seem to declare or seek absolute truths, the above is just my opinion.
Just as it's any other one, whether it is declared or not declared.
No one, here or elsewhere, is the custodian of any absolute truth in the Audio.
And everything that is said or done is for personal interest, not for philanthropy.
Obviously, I'm not referring to the many of those who help others on this forum (or elsewhere) who are actually the best of all ones.
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For the specific track at that mixing/mastering studio's listening room.
The sound reproduce there is the only reference for that track.
Other system would just be another creation.
So many studios using active monitor that uses class D amp in it......so many music created without soul/lifelike 🤣
Or, is it?
The sound reproduce there is the only reference for that track.
Other system would just be another creation.
So many studios using active monitor that uses class D amp in it......so many music created without soul/lifelike 🤣
Or, is it?
Please note that as already said I'm a great admirer of Bruno Putzeys and his production, so I'm sorry if I cannot agree with your statement.Thus by definition the closer the performance of an amplifier is to this definition, the closer it is to the perfect amplifier and the less distortion it adds to the signal. Ultimately, when the performance is so close that any added distortion is below the threshold of hearing, one has solved the issue of an amplifier having "a sound".
I don't agree not because of the very high quality of Hypex amplifiers, but because of your oversimplification.
I don't believe at all that it's just a question of distortion, and in fact amplifiers with the same amount of distorsion do not sound the same at all.
Sound reproduction is a very complex subject and in my opinion it does not lend itself well to simplifications.
Think for example of those who seek life in sound, or a wide and deep soundstage, or a feeling of materiality.
They won't find what they're looking for based on the manufacturer's stated distortion.
Edit to fix-up a typo.
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I don't believe at all that it's just a question of distortion, and in fact amplifiers with the same amount of distorsion do not sound the same at all.
Sound reproduction is a very complex subject and in my opinion it does not lend itself well to simplifications.
Think for example of those who seek life in sound, or a wide and deep soundstage, or a feeling of materiality.
They won't find what they're looking for based on the manufacturer's stated distortion.
Edit to fix-up a typo.
Amplifiers do not have a sound. Soundstage or a feeling of materiality are subjective.
From Bruno's interview the measurement is more like a tool to debug but doesn't guarantee good performance if it's the typical measurements.
Different amplifier design has different distortion mechanism and the designer should need to know which type of measurement to examine the amp's performance.
Perhaps it's more a tool to delete the poor designed ones but above some threshold the better 0 didn't correlate to better sounding.
Different amplifier design has different distortion mechanism and the designer should need to know which type of measurement to examine the amp's performance.
Perhaps it's more a tool to delete the poor designed ones but above some threshold the better 0 didn't correlate to better sounding.
What is "better sounding"? There is no objective metric as it is a matter of personal preference. Amps don't have a sound unless they are adding audible distortion. Some might prefer the sound of distortion but a properly designed amplifier shouldn't produce audible distortion.
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