Hi.
I added the photo of 5",6.5inch and 8" audax drivers with order.
Which one of them can I use a full range without any correction circuit and without any irritation?
I do not know which frequency peaks more important.
But I am guessing, it starts with 2-8khz??
What is the important thing, peak degree/sharpness or just the amount(db)?
I am guessing frequency response change wrt enclosure.??
When I tried to understand this graphic:
5" 5-6khz 6db peak
6.5" 7khz rising response
8" 2-4khz 8db peak and at 7khz rising response
But also I thing 5" has peaks at 2,7,10,15khz
How much are these important?
I prefer the full ranges with whizerless and changeable phase plug. (I learned from madisound, these phase plugs super glued)
But if it will have high frequency irritation, I can choose whizzer ones easily 🙂
I added the photo of 5",6.5inch and 8" audax drivers with order.
Which one of them can I use a full range without any correction circuit and without any irritation?
I do not know which frequency peaks more important.
But I am guessing, it starts with 2-8khz??
What is the important thing, peak degree/sharpness or just the amount(db)?
I am guessing frequency response change wrt enclosure.??
When I tried to understand this graphic:
5" 5-6khz 6db peak
6.5" 7khz rising response
8" 2-4khz 8db peak and at 7khz rising response
But also I thing 5" has peaks at 2,7,10,15khz
How much are these important?
I prefer the full ranges with whizerless and changeable phase plug. (I learned from madisound, these phase plugs super glued)
But if it will have high frequency irritation, I can choose whizzer ones easily 🙂
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I like the 5".
Beyond a certain frequency, the sound is nothing but breakup modes, it just matters how smooth they are.
How close are you to the speakers ?
Tang band 4" bamboo has a similar 5-6khz spike,
I found it added some clang to cymbals, not the 8khz spike adding spit (s's and t's).
Beyond a certain frequency, the sound is nothing but breakup modes, it just matters how smooth they are.
How close are you to the speakers ?
Tang band 4" bamboo has a similar 5-6khz spike,
I found it added some clang to cymbals, not the 8khz spike adding spit (s's and t's).
Sometimes on the desk, sometimes 2m behind the desk.
8khz spike creating emphasis on s and t sounds if I understand correctly. Good info thanks
8khz spike creating emphasis on s and t sounds if I understand correctly. Good info thanks
I think 5"one is only ferrite, 6.5inch and 8inh are both neo/ferrite hybrid.Maybe better I choose 6.5inch ferrite/neo drivers?
Maybe because of the coercivity, hybrid magnet can be good when voice coil flux tried to demagnatize the magnet. So it can maybe move more freely.. I don't know..
Maybe because of the coercivity, hybrid magnet can be good when voice coil flux tried to demagnatize the magnet. So it can maybe move more freely.. I don't know..
I also like the 5inch, but other drivers have magnets made of neo/ferrite hybrid. I am not sure but this hybrid magnet can have less interaction with VC ac field, so they may be have less distortion..
Cube Audio Fc8 also use neo/ferrite hybrid magnet.
I wish also someone can clarify the hybrid magnet thing..
Cube Audio Fc8 also use neo/ferrite hybrid magnet.
I wish also someone can clarify the hybrid magnet thing..
Well.........
Here is what i have heard from a buddy way more into this stuff... neo/alnico sort of acts like a shorting ring, but he couldn't hear a difference. Especially copper caps and shorting rings are audible and measurable.
Certainly is more rare thus more pricy.
But good question.
We would need 2 drivers basically identical fs, qts, eq'd flat, etc but the only difference would be the magnet.
I can't say that my 8 year old memory that a w8-1808 ($230) on small open baffle is better than less than a year memory of a 2145 ($96), especially with 1808 lifted 1-4khz vs climbing 2145 at 4khz needing bass boost big time to make a nice sounding smily face eq response.
Here is what i have heard from a buddy way more into this stuff... neo/alnico sort of acts like a shorting ring, but he couldn't hear a difference. Especially copper caps and shorting rings are audible and measurable.
Certainly is more rare thus more pricy.
But good question.
We would need 2 drivers basically identical fs, qts, eq'd flat, etc but the only difference would be the magnet.
I can't say that my 8 year old memory that a w8-1808 ($230) on small open baffle is better than less than a year memory of a 2145 ($96), especially with 1808 lifted 1-4khz vs climbing 2145 at 4khz needing bass boost big time to make a nice sounding smily face eq response.
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I checked the TBs, they say "Aluminum phase plug also acts as a shorting ring for lower distortion".If this is true, I think it can be harder to make comparison between this two drivers you had.
Madisound say "Hybrid neodymium and ferrite magnet system produce a powerful magnetic field and control."
I asked the 5inch magnet type ferrite only or hybrid. I am waiting answer.
If we trust to frequency graphics of manufacturers, some people apply notch filters to their drivers that have small peaks similar to 5inch audax drivers..
Maybe sharpness/degree of the peaks is more important. So 6.5inch maybe can be better choice..
I had old ferrite fostex fe103, it had irritiating female voices.I don't want to have the same experience with new drivers..
Generally I read on the internet the neo have same "fast react to touch" thing like alnico..
Of course more often I see the shorting rings in woofer/subwoofer driver magnets. Probably they have more VC ac field..
But I also see some manufacturers like Seas also use shorting rings for their full range drivers. CubeAudio uses hybrid neo/ferrite magnet and shorting galvanization of pole piece on the same full range driver..
Maybe shorting ring have more noticiable affect then changing magnet from ferrite to neo or hybrid..
Madisound say "Hybrid neodymium and ferrite magnet system produce a powerful magnetic field and control."
I asked the 5inch magnet type ferrite only or hybrid. I am waiting answer.
If we trust to frequency graphics of manufacturers, some people apply notch filters to their drivers that have small peaks similar to 5inch audax drivers..
Maybe sharpness/degree of the peaks is more important. So 6.5inch maybe can be better choice..
I had old ferrite fostex fe103, it had irritiating female voices.I don't want to have the same experience with new drivers..
Generally I read on the internet the neo have same "fast react to touch" thing like alnico..
Of course more often I see the shorting rings in woofer/subwoofer driver magnets. Probably they have more VC ac field..
But I also see some manufacturers like Seas also use shorting rings for their full range drivers. CubeAudio uses hybrid neo/ferrite magnet and shorting galvanization of pole piece on the same full range driver..
Maybe shorting ring have more noticiable affect then changing magnet from ferrite to neo or hybrid..
Interestingly, there are people who don't like the shorting rings. Maybe they are responsible for hot top frequency of the 6.5 and 8inch drivers if we assume neo magnets behave like shorting ring. Maybe using only ferrite is better 🙂
Who wants a shorting ring? - diyAudio
Who wants a shorting ring? - diyAudio
I think a manufacturer could weaken the qts to offset a climbing response from a copper cap / shorting ring.
But there is some opinions on a stronger qts controlling a driver better than a lower one.
Upper detail could be better from a floppier qms (my theory) due to suspension not absorbing as much information.
There is much at play to a drivers sound.
I appreciated some of linkwitz tests showing hd and imd distortion in drivers, but that also has to be balanced with freq response, peaks, etc.
But there is some opinions on a stronger qts controlling a driver better than a lower one.
Upper detail could be better from a floppier qms (my theory) due to suspension not absorbing as much information.
There is much at play to a drivers sound.
I appreciated some of linkwitz tests showing hd and imd distortion in drivers, but that also has to be balanced with freq response, peaks, etc.
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5" full range start to fall down at 500hz.I think it is too quick. It can cause "anemic" bass like wolf_teeth said.
Probably if I buy this, I should look at a woofer. Right now this is too complicated for me. Maybe I should go with 8" one. But it has peak between 2-4khz about 5db.Maybe it can cause irritiating female voices. I don't know.
Probably if I buy this, I should look at a woofer. Right now this is too complicated for me. Maybe I should go with 8" one. But it has peak between 2-4khz about 5db.Maybe it can cause irritiating female voices. I don't know.
I looked at them already. It will maybe sound weird, but they use aluminium vc former. I don't have good experience with drivers have conductive former. I think it gives some kind of dampining because of the eddy currents. In my opinion(I am not expert!) they give sound "darkish", "laid-backish" sound..And also it effects the overall "tone" . This is the main reason I didn't choose mark audio alpair 10p/12p(other reason:they don't have ventilation for spider and dust cap area)..It is just my opinion..
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Hi norman bates
6.5" goes well until about 150-200hz
8" goes well until about 100hz..and 2-4khz 8db peak
both have rising response after 7khz.
Which one do you prefer between this two? (bass wise and treble wise)
If 5" one went well about 200hz,I definitially choose it, but..
thanks.
6.5" goes well until about 150-200hz
8" goes well until about 100hz..and 2-4khz 8db peak
both have rising response after 7khz.
Which one do you prefer between this two? (bass wise and treble wise)
If 5" one went well about 200hz,I definitially choose it, but..
thanks.
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That is a tough question.
See my avatar ?
And here i am, on full range forum.
Bassy high output detailed dynamic horn speakers are my wife, but i occasionally have flings with full range drivers.
Currently in works is the 10f/rs225 fast thread.
And i have 4 tweeters to make (someday) a 6db time/phase aligned mtm 6.5" like a dunlavy sm1.
And my w8-2145 is haunting me, now that i have sold it.
I like to sit 7-12' away and i like bass, so for me, as 1 driver only, nothing less than an 8", even then, I'm not totally happy, but compromised.
How far will you sit ?
Most drivers have problems.
Most 8" have trouble 1-4khz causing shout.
I like to eq this area down at least 3db, not up.
And yes without a whizzer, it isnt nicely getting up to 10khz.
And don't get me started on the problems with whizzers.
And 8" works foir 1 pair of ears at 7'.
But back on topic.
Cone area, output, distortion.
This is diy.
We all hear differently and weigh what we like or value, balance its good with bad.
Hard part is telling what we like without bashing what we don't.
See my avatar ?
And here i am, on full range forum.
Bassy high output detailed dynamic horn speakers are my wife, but i occasionally have flings with full range drivers.
Currently in works is the 10f/rs225 fast thread.
And i have 4 tweeters to make (someday) a 6db time/phase aligned mtm 6.5" like a dunlavy sm1.
And my w8-2145 is haunting me, now that i have sold it.
I like to sit 7-12' away and i like bass, so for me, as 1 driver only, nothing less than an 8", even then, I'm not totally happy, but compromised.
How far will you sit ?
Most drivers have problems.
Most 8" have trouble 1-4khz causing shout.
I like to eq this area down at least 3db, not up.
And yes without a whizzer, it isnt nicely getting up to 10khz.
And don't get me started on the problems with whizzers.
And 8" works foir 1 pair of ears at 7'.
But back on topic.
Cone area, output, distortion.
This is diy.
We all hear differently and weigh what we like or value, balance its good with bad.
Hard part is telling what we like without bashing what we don't.
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I will use them on my desk. But in future I will probably add woofers.My expectation from a full range is being capable of doing 16khz-200hz(100hz) and I want to listen without closing my ears or don't want to listen them with some degree lifting..And I don't want to use filter circuit.. Maybe I should start to using filter circuits. So I can prefer the 8" audax 🙂
6.5" without filter, will maybe have emphasis on s and t sounds.
Still not sure but I can choose the 6.5" audax..
6.5" without filter, will maybe have emphasis on s and t sounds.
Still not sure but I can choose the 6.5" audax..