Bob Cordell's Power amplifier book

mr. Cordell,
As a reader and purchaser of your book on amplifier design I can say that I was very satisfied with your first edition of the book. I don't see a problem with your section on class-D amplification for those just wanting to know the basic functionality of the circuits without taking this to the level of designing one of these amplifiers. Someone should and I am sure will write a complete book strictly on this subject and obviously to many of us that is what it would take for someone to be able to design around these circuits. But don't remove the section just because it is no a treatise on the subject. I imagine you can add to what you originally wrote as you must have more information that you could add at this time. But I do think that adding a section on the differences between the voltage and current feedback topologies would be more interesting to the majority of readers of an analog amplifier book. I will again ask you to include an option to purchase a pcb that would follow your design philosophy and allow the reader to build and test the circuit as following the book. A simple section on testing the circuit and making bias settings and other additions would also be appreciated.

Thanks for your kind words about the book and your understanding that the class D section is just a starting tutorial at best. I have learned a lot more about class D in the three years that have passed and continue to seek more input and suggestions on that section. I do wish someone had written a good class D book before I wrote the section in my book (at least one that I was aware of), because I had to do quite a lot of research and learning to write the amount that is there. Any references on class D are very, very welcome.

I'll definitely add some material on the current feedback topologies and try to list some good references that people can go to for further reading.

Your idea about including an option to purchase a pcb of an example amplifier as it evolves is a good one.

Cheers,
Bob
 
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Jan, do you know of any (not too expensive) tools for editing the text in PDFs, for example changing a font or changing characters?

Not this side of $ 500, no.
PDF editing is very hard and the software to do it will cost you.
Adobe CS versions do it.
You'll find many offerings on the 'net but they are very limited; I've tried a few but was quite disappointed.

jan
 
Not this side of $ 500, no.
PDF editing is very hard and the software to do it will cost you.
Adobe CS versions do it.
You'll find many offerings on the 'net but they are very limited; I've tried a few but was quite disappointed.

jan

That's a shame. I would have thought that wholesale replacing one font for another should be straightforward. Does the PDF format not essentially say "draw these characters using font "x""? If instead of full-blown editing I had some way of changing "x" from, say, Times New Roman to Palatino, that would be a good start.
 
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That's a shame. I would have thought that wholesale replacing one font for another should be straightforward. Does the PDF format not essentially say "draw these characters using font "x""? If instead of full-blown editing I had some way of changing "x" from, say, Times New Roman to Palatino, that would be a good start.

Well you can if you open the PDF in a text editor, but that's soooo nerdy ;)

jan
 
That's a shame. I would have thought that wholesale replacing one font for another should be straightforward. Does the PDF format not essentially say "draw these characters using font "x""? If instead of full-blown editing I had some way of changing "x" from, say, Times New Roman to Palatino, that would be a good start.

Hello,
Try converting the entire file to word format.
Next make your changes.
Then export back to PDF.
Conversion programs are available for free.
 
Hello,
Try converting the entire file to word format.
Next make your changes.
Then export back to PDF.
Conversion programs are available for free.

But what if your PDF is a graphic with some text in it? Does that process really work? For example, can you change the font used in the attached PDF, or change the dash characters (that MATLAB erroneously uses for negative numbers) to the correct minus-sign character?
 

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Hello,
Try converting the entire file to word format.
Next make your changes.
Then export back to PDF.
Conversion programs are available for free.


Myhrrhleine, I have a hard time envisioning someone in the healing arts picking up a soldering iron and going at a bunch of op-amps, though stanger things have happened. You only list cooking and sewing on your web site as hobbies, is audio a secret interest?
 
Myhrrhleine, I have a hard time envisioning someone in the healing arts picking up a soldering iron and going at a bunch of op-amps, though stanger things have happened. You only list cooking and sewing on your web site as hobbies, is audio a secret interest?

Hello,
Silly me. I thought audio as an interest was obvious on this forum.
I got interested in audio long before healing.
 
A MOSFET Power Amplifier with Error Correction* Paper

Bob,

I wonder if would you be kind enough to clarify a little section within your paper. This is the end of section 2.2 on page 12. It is where you discuss the use of shielded wire with a 10R resistor at the driver end and a ferrite bead at the MOSFET gate.

My questions are as follows:

1) Is this method ok to use with Lateral MOSFETs (I suspect it would be ok)

2) What do you mean by local bypass ground? Is this the ground used for the decoupling caps? Is so, does this not cause a ground loop?

3) What is the spec of the shielded cable?

4) What is the spec of the ferrite bead?

It would be very much appreciated if you could find the time to assist with these questions or point me in the direction of other references.

Many thanks

Paul
 
Bob,

I wonder if would you be kind enough to clarify a little section within your paper. This is the end of section 2.2 on page 12. It is where you discuss the use of shielded wire with a 10R resistor at the driver end and a ferrite bead at the MOSFET gate.

My questions are as follows:

1) Is this method ok to use with Lateral MOSFETs (I suspect it would be ok)

2) What do you mean by local bypass ground? Is this the ground used for the decoupling caps? Is so, does this not cause a ground loop?

3) What is the spec of the shielded cable?

4) What is the spec of the ferrite bead?

It would be very much appreciated if you could find the time to assist with these questions or point me in the direction of other references.

Many thanks

Paul

Hi Paul,

Wow, you read the paper pretty closely! Long time ago that was written. I had to go back and review it to answer your question. I had long forgotten my mention of that gate drive approach.

I implemented the technique during the prototyping of the amplifier, but eventually went with the combination of a gate stopper and a gate Zobel network. I seem to remember that in the prototype there were 3 or 4 inches of signal path between the driver and the output MOSFETs, hence the concern about the inductance.

The technique should be definitely compatible with lateral MOSFETs, but I strongly doubt it is needed for them, since laterals have significant internal gate resistance and are not nearly as fast as vertical MOSFETs.

In that amplifier I defined only one ground, so yes, the interconnections of the two coaxial cables to the gates, each connected to the same ground at each end, created a ground loop. I can only say the I do not recall the ground loop creating a problem.

I think the coax was 50-ohm RG-174. Nothing special, but nice and small and flexible. I have never really liked bulky RG-58 and don't even use it for BNC cables in my lab.

I don't recall the spec of the ferrite beads - probably whatever I had at hand at the time :).

Cheers,
Bob
 
Bob,

Thank you for the very quick response. I have read that paper many times :)
The good news is I have by chance some miniature 50 ohm coax and some ferrite beads of unknown spec. So will be experimenting.

The problem I have is trying to parallel two pairs of Exicon dual die (16A) Lateral MOSFETs. Want to be running gate resistors of 100R and 150R (or lower). With one pair I have no problems. With two pairs I get a high (ish) frequency oscillation of around 10Mhz with 4V peak to peak amplitude. Increasing gate resistances to 220R and 330R the oscillation stops. But this slows the MOSFETs down too much and Phase margin of the amp suffers according to simulation.

Have followed the data sheet / application notes regarding PCB layout with local decoupling for each FET. Also have gate zobels currently 330+100pF and 220+100pF depending on whether N channel or P channel. The output stage is on a separate board to the drivers.

I need MOSFET speed and not sure how achieve it. I know that the gate resistors need to be small. The idea of 10R gate resistors appeal. have read that laterals have higher gate resistance so should the resistor at the driver match this? Have a suspicion parasitics are to blame for the oscillations just a little stuck on how to approach this problem.

Paul