Does some one compared these two caps ?
The application is crossover filter for loudspeakers.
I've already read the tony gee comparison.
thank you
The application is crossover filter for loudspeakers.
I've already read the tony gee comparison.
thank you
Mate, we all worn out with the capacitor debate.
For sure polypropylenes are good. It does seem that some Mundorf's have 10X better ESR than the cheapies:
What you gotta wonder, is whether the money you save on cheaper capacitors, which doubtless work well enough, is best spent on better tweeters or better capacitors. Is that an answer? My own preference would be to spend any excess cash on better tweeters myself. Copper pole pieces, neodymium magnets an all that. Oh and good air-core inductors. 😀
For sure polypropylenes are good. It does seem that some Mundorf's have 10X better ESR than the cheapies:
What you gotta wonder, is whether the money you save on cheaper capacitors, which doubtless work well enough, is best spent on better tweeters or better capacitors. Is that an answer? My own preference would be to spend any excess cash on better tweeters myself. Copper pole pieces, neodymium magnets an all that. Oh and good air-core inductors. 😀
Gents
In my opinion the capacitor debate only becomes relevant if your speakers have the resolution ability to show the differences in caps. If not, you are wasting your money. That means those who deride cap differences must simply state what speakers they use to put their comment in the correct perspective for the reader.
Regards
Jozua
In my opinion the capacitor debate only becomes relevant if your speakers have the resolution ability to show the differences in caps. If not, you are wasting your money. That means those who deride cap differences must simply state what speakers they use to put their comment in the correct perspective for the reader.
Regards
Jozua
I have listened to both caps at a preamp output - very big difference in presentation there. SIO a clear winner, where MR has a heavy muddy bass and slightly recessed high end.
More recently compared them in a tweeter crossover - not much difference i can hear at all.
hi analog,
about mr, around say that are more natural than silver/oil, also more dynamic and are more transparent.
what about your point of view ?
could you explain better your comparison on tweeter crossover ?
thank you
At one point of time I was trying very hard to decide on picking up the best input coupling cap for an amp . I bought several brands and types. I could ( or thought I could !) hear distinct differences and ranked the capacitors from best to lowest perceived sound.
Later I found that with other amplifiers the ranking of the caps didn't match with the first test I made. So either something is wrong about how it was auditioned or each cap can behave differently depending on the behaviour of the system that it is put into. This means there is no ideal ranking for caps ! You need to try out what you want and pick what you think is best !
Later I found that with other amplifiers the ranking of the caps didn't match with the first test I made. So either something is wrong about how it was auditioned or each cap can behave differently depending on the behaviour of the system that it is put into. This means there is no ideal ranking for caps ! You need to try out what you want and pick what you think is best !
I think these are new for Parts Express, the cost seems reasonable:
Audyn Metalized Polypropylene Foil Crossover Capacitors
Audyn Metalized Polypropylene Foil Crossover Capacitors
I've used MR's over a dozen components, including both coupling and speaker crossovers.
In either set of applications, I would consider the MR dead neutral. If anything, the S/O is tilted to the top end, which would point out something else is amiss in your setup.
Clarity MR if you have a transparent system with no need of boost in the high .. mundorf silver oil if you want some shiny highs 🙂
Clarity cap very neutral - nothing sticks out. The S/O's give more forward and liquid highs.
I like the S/O's for Scanspeak tweeters.
I like the S/O's for Scanspeak tweeters.
You may be right. At the time i had Sonus Faber Signums which were a bit dark and probably enjoyed a slight boost in the highs.
I've only used 3 types of caps for my tweeters : Hovland Musicap, Mundorf Supreme SiO and Clarity cap. The Mundorf SiO to my ears has the most liquid sounding highs.
In a crossover network, I've tried Solen fast caps, Mundorf MKP's, Mundorf M-Cap supreme and the original AuriCaps.
This was in a B&W speaker - modding the crossover section filtering the infamous metal dome tweeters and using a digital source.
With the metal dome tweeter - the Mundorf M-Cap supreme sounded very thick and forward.
The M-Cap supreme was very good at removing digital glare.
The original AuriCap sounded very natural - but sounded further back.
I used both these caps in series with the tweeter - and they seemed to
complement each other well.
In this application, I'd say forget the Solen fast Cap and Mundorf MKP (white ones).
Just as important as replacing the caps - I've found basic wire wound power resistors to sound harsh.
I replaced B&W's "Bennic" resistors, with Mundorf Metal Oxide resistors.
Big improvement.
Also, replaced B&W's tin plated stranded wire to the tweeter with
20 awg solid strand OCC copper with teflon insulation.
IMO the metal dome tweeter sounded softer with the wire upgrade.
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This was in a B&W speaker - modding the crossover section filtering the infamous metal dome tweeters and using a digital source.
With the metal dome tweeter - the Mundorf M-Cap supreme sounded very thick and forward.
The M-Cap supreme was very good at removing digital glare.
The original AuriCap sounded very natural - but sounded further back.
I used both these caps in series with the tweeter - and they seemed to
complement each other well.
In this application, I'd say forget the Solen fast Cap and Mundorf MKP (white ones).
Just as important as replacing the caps - I've found basic wire wound power resistors to sound harsh.
I replaced B&W's "Bennic" resistors, with Mundorf Metal Oxide resistors.
Big improvement.
Also, replaced B&W's tin plated stranded wire to the tweeter with
20 awg solid strand OCC copper with teflon insulation.
IMO the metal dome tweeter sounded softer with the wire upgrade.
.
Could someone answer me this:
Where has it been shown (links to objective studies please!) that caps under comparison will have the same sonic signature in a variety of multi-way speakers with passive xovers when the xo topology and driver components aren't even known???
Evidently, folks doing cap surveys seem to have had access to this important research. Please help me find it!!
Where has it been shown (links to objective studies please!) that caps under comparison will have the same sonic signature in a variety of multi-way speakers with passive xovers when the xo topology and driver components aren't even known???
Evidently, folks doing cap surveys seem to have had access to this important research. Please help me find it!!
