Thanks, yes I was using that to set 50mA on each, rather than for the bias voltage. But still I had the difference. The quiet amp has less glow from the valves, I’ll check again and check heaters. The quiet ones were also older, slightly different construction. Maybe first I’ll try swapping tubes between amps to confirm its tubes not amplifier.You can compare the F2a tubes by measuring voltages on cathode resistors R9, R10 to ground.