Opened up my box of brand new Manger MSWs today to measure them on my WT3. Got once clean measurment and saved it to my PC. Then I repeated the impedance sweep and it looked funny.
Long story short, one of the VCs decided to open up and quit just from 2 lousy low level measurments. Its things like this which make me want to quit this audio crap. It's bad enough my health is garbage. Everything is seem to touch is turning sour.
Long story short, one of the VCs decided to open up and quit just from 2 lousy low level measurments. Its things like this which make me want to quit this audio crap. It's bad enough my health is garbage. Everything is seem to touch is turning sour.
You sure this isn’t an issue with WT3? Mines over 10 years old and it’s quite finicky. Actually it’s Windows that finicky but it’s the system testbed.
A multimeter on the driver shows an open circuit ? Bummer.
I will commiserate with you; I spent weeks trying to troubleshoot why my DSP stopped working; only to realise that the brand new DACs that I installed wasn’t compatible with the DSP!!!
Put the old DACs back in and everything is back to normal.
Weird!? Frustrating!!!
A multimeter on the driver shows an open circuit ? Bummer.
I will commiserate with you; I spent weeks trying to troubleshoot why my DSP stopped working; only to realise that the brand new DACs that I installed wasn’t compatible with the DSP!!!
Put the old DACs back in and everything is back to normal.
Weird!? Frustrating!!!
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WT3 and Clio both measured this the same. One of the VC windings measures open. The driver got quieter when it happened, which is an obvious symptom. I certainly won't be fixing these. I had nothing but bad luck with boutique, handmade stuff like this. The fiasco I had with those T34Bs was bad enough. Now this...
I resemble this remark, except it's dealing with repeated storm damage, so called well meaning neighbors and various contractors with 'boilerplate' high quality, Senior/elderly friendly ratings!
That said, I was under the impression that Manger were 'top drawer' folks.
Sounds like when our roof was leaking and dripping onto my Parasound JC5... the insurance company doesn't like me when they found out how much it was to replace. Then our main breaker panel lost a whole half circuit and took out all our kitchen appliances. It just doesn't stop.
I may have to re-approach the 12" coax project i put on hold. This was a dual 12" midbass with B&C 12MH32s, Eminence Kappalite 3012CX + Faital HF108.
I dont have much time left to do all the stuff I want to depending on how fast my health situation decides to deteriorate. I have alot of drivers sitting around waiting for a good purpose. We'll see...
I may have to re-approach the 12" coax project i put on hold. This was a dual 12" midbass with B&C 12MH32s, Eminence Kappalite 3012CX + Faital HF108.
I dont have much time left to do all the stuff I want to depending on how fast my health situation decides to deteriorate. I have alot of drivers sitting around waiting for a good purpose. We'll see...
yes. I guess you gotta take the fun with the frustration. I mean what else can one do?
Of course one could just plonk the cash down on something retail, and let someone else deal with the problems if/when they arise.
“Hey look I’m supporting the economy”.
That’s what governments and capitalists want you to do right? You’re just being a good citizen
Of course one could just plonk the cash down on something retail, and let someone else deal with the problems if/when they arise.
“Hey look I’m supporting the economy”.
That’s what governments and capitalists want you to do right? You’re just being a good citizen
Problem is I've never been satisfied with anything off the shelf. I'd have to spend 5 figures to get something I consider a full range solution with proper dynamic range capability. I've never owned speakers that could be powered properly with only one stereo amplifier, except for my older PMCs. I love the sound of a well designed TL enclosure.
I've taken a Manger MSW apart before. Its not easy to avoid destroying the VC and the lead wires can't be repaired from the top.
The guy in the video isn't experienced with these drivers. It only can be rebuilt by Manger and they charge around $700 for rebuilding the pair.
But they claim it is a perfect product and of course HOLY GERMAN ENGINEERING never fails
Broken coils seem to be part of their biz model ... over the years I've heard often of dead Manger drivers! About 15 years ago (maybe 10 years) the company decide to sell their stuff no longer to individuals which is a shame in itself!
Maybe german products are overrated now compared to the old days :
https://www-fidelity--online-de.tra..._sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Broken coils seem to be part of their biz model ... over the years I've heard often of dead Manger drivers! About 15 years ago (maybe 10 years) the company decide to sell their stuff no longer to individuals which is a shame in itself!
Maybe german products are overrated now compared to the old days :
https://www-fidelity--online-de.tra..._sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Manger systems are breaking down a lot, that is true. But that has nothing to say about german engineering, it's just a not well designed (from durability view) product. Other German audio brands do a lot better on that. Manger are hard to sell on the second hand market for that reputation, as nobody wants old Manger stuff that probally will break down soon.
LOL We've noticed but the same problem exists in other country's sources of various items. I'd be inclined to say take care in the niche products area.
You can easily build a cheaper fullrange loudspeaker beating a Manger in technical aspects.
My construction
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...w-distortion-with-a-2-way.334757/post-6711184
One of these round ones measures perfect off from the shelf.
https://www.tectonicaudiolabs.com/audio-components/bmr-speakers/
Manger has high distortion below 1 kHz due to the flat cone.
My construction
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...w-distortion-with-a-2-way.334757/post-6711184
One of these round ones measures perfect off from the shelf.
https://www.tectonicaudiolabs.com/audio-components/bmr-speakers/
Manger has high distortion below 1 kHz due to the flat cone.
Perhaps they are, one thing is beyond any doubt now. Everybody seems to be working on how to complicate a new product in such a way the user will not be able to repair it himself when the time is due. Bring on the chips with preprogrammed failures. Yeah, and the 3 cylinder turbo crap motors.