I'll be upfront and say I try to avoid subjective views about sound. What I hear except in a macro-sense is unlikely to be what anybody else hears, given different systems & rooms, and different biological conditions (age, sinus health etc. -I know my hearing changes significantly when suffering from hayfever for e.g.). However, in a high efficiency system -possibly. The tin plating prevents the possibility of the copper oxidising & resistance increasing over time, which may cause some issues with multistranded wire in high humidity environments. Beyond that -YMMV. I can say I'm perfectly happy with the Classic 4.0 I have though, and I've no desire to change. I've also used it as internal wiring in commercial products for companies I've consulted for, since it's a good quality, convenient product sold for a sensible price.
If you're a believer in the materials side, I note that the tin plating has some 'tone' credentials judging by the comments on Jeff's Place, and Supra Classic costs a whole lot less than Duelund etc., let alone whatever a spool of (probably fake) vintage WE wire goes for these days, so it would seem a sensible choice for people wanting to try this out.
If you're a believer in the materials side, I note that the tin plating has some 'tone' credentials judging by the comments on Jeff's Place, and Supra Classic costs a whole lot less than Duelund etc., let alone whatever a spool of (probably fake) vintage WE wire goes for these days, so it would seem a sensible choice for people wanting to try this out.
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My bad.. 😱
I tend to use "Multi-strand" and "Litz" interchangeably.
To me they are interchangeable (..well, unless the air-gap between multi-strand is substantive - which for 90%+ of litz wire is not).
Speaking of multi-strand, this is pretty good stuff at a reasonable price (..I'll double it up for an inexpensive mid-to-bass cable run where I want an easy connection):
Monoprice Planate Series 16AWG Pure Copper Flat Speaker Wire, 100ft - Monoprice.com
-each strand is pretty soft.
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-unwind a well-priced Goertz inductor for both connection from crossover to midrange and bass (usually doubled-up with the smaller gauge inductors).
I use Erse for the large value inductors (Super Q)..
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Purist audio design cables where very hot in my area many years ago, they where designed with help from a cray supercomputer they said. They still seems to rock, the have now lowered the noise floor by a full decibel they say, is that much?
Maybe a cray supercomputer could design the very best capacitor and inductor too!
Maybe a cray supercomputer could design the very best capacitor and inductor too!
I would not say the SilverZ sounds softer as described, but like there is more information of room and spatiality making it sound less clinical than others. It still has the snappy detailed character of the SupZ, but with more and better soundstage.
Wolf
Wolf
That’s where I find the Sup Z lacking is soundstage and presence so I would probably enjoy the silver......thanks wolf.
Nicoch58, yes, thanks, that's what I have noticed on my super tweeter and upper mids. I wonder though if it would help below 3KHz? Below 1 KHz? I have a super tweeter, upper mids, lower mids, upper woofer, lower woofer and a sub all in my main system. I have active/DSP on the lower woofer and active analog on the sub; all other drivers are all passive X/O BUT on different amplifiers for each driver pair. I have actually never finished this project, it is slow work in progress...
A bit OT if I may...
It seems way back in the days that WE was pioneering, tin plated copper wire was the goto solution. Most probably for its corrosive resistance nature.
Duelund proudly presents it's upgraded version as the Duelund DCA series of wiring.
The 12GA version consists of 65 strands of 0.25mm tinned copper.
What if we look at industrial wiring, with a protective tin coating?
Like: this one? The standards (IEC 60228 class 5/VDE 0295) tell us that it is 52 x 0.31 mm stranded wire.
Build up to meet several specs. Not nearly as pricey as Duelund, though with a mere pvc coating. But I like it's durability potential 🙂.
A wire like the Supra Classic has many more fine strands. (in the industry that would be something like IEC 60228 class 6/VDE 0295)
IEC 60228, Class 5/Class 6 Cables - European Cable Stranding
It seems way back in the days that WE was pioneering, tin plated copper wire was the goto solution. Most probably for its corrosive resistance nature.
Duelund proudly presents it's upgraded version as the Duelund DCA series of wiring.
The 12GA version consists of 65 strands of 0.25mm tinned copper.
What if we look at industrial wiring, with a protective tin coating?
Like: this one? The standards (IEC 60228 class 5/VDE 0295) tell us that it is 52 x 0.31 mm stranded wire.
Build up to meet several specs. Not nearly as pricey as Duelund, though with a mere pvc coating. But I like it's durability potential 🙂.
A wire like the Supra Classic has many more fine strands. (in the industry that would be something like IEC 60228 class 6/VDE 0295)
IEC 60228, Class 5/Class 6 Cables - European Cable Stranding
It was, because waxed cloth was the most popular / least expensive sheath available at the time, so the tin plating was particularly useful in high humidity environments. As an aside, given the environmental issues with plastic, I suspect we'll see an increasing return to this in the coming months & years.
ClarityCap CMR/MR 630Vdc Series Film Capacitors
expensive!
CMR polypropylene audio capacitor from ClarityCap
ClarityCap CMR Capacitors | Hifi Collective
I would also like to know how they compare to Superior Z, Silver Z and Alumen Z
expensive!
CMR polypropylene audio capacitor from ClarityCap
ClarityCap CMR Capacitors | Hifi Collective
I would also like to know how they compare to Superior Z, Silver Z and Alumen Z
I recently obtained some 4.7uF CMR for about 1/3 the cost 2nd hand. I don't have a project in mind yet, but I'll be trying them. Yes- Expensive!
Wolf
Wolf
Wolf, do you have any other capacitors on hand that are also 4.7 uF? My tests were very simple as you already realize. I used my trusty Satori MR16 mid and an inexpensive tweeter just for listening tests. I did this in mono only and just on one channel to keep things simple and easy. The Aluminum Z and CMR are in the same basic price range but it would also be interesting to compare to others less expensive.
hey, old speaker guy, how are you ? 🙂
do you have the chance do to a test comparison between Jantzen Standard-Z vs ClarityCap CSA ?
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do you have the chance do to a test comparison between Jantzen Standard-Z vs ClarityCap CSA ?
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Yes
The Clarity Cap CSA is better than the Jantzen Standard Z. The Standard Z will give you more highest frequencies but the CSA will give you more mids. I think the CSA is a very good choice for the price. The Standard Z is also a good choice for the money. I still think the Superior Z is the best sounding cap for the money but I trust Wolf and others that say the Silver Z is just a little better than the Superior. SO, I suggest doing your OWN experiments! That is the ONLY way YOU will know for sure! We have our opinions for sure but there is more than just that to be considered.
The Clarity Cap CSA is better than the Jantzen Standard Z. The Standard Z will give you more highest frequencies but the CSA will give you more mids. I think the CSA is a very good choice for the price. The Standard Z is also a good choice for the money. I still think the Superior Z is the best sounding cap for the money but I trust Wolf and others that say the Silver Z is just a little better than the Superior. SO, I suggest doing your OWN experiments! That is the ONLY way YOU will know for sure! We have our opinions for sure but there is more than just that to be considered.
The CSA just hit's that *"value" region unlike most other cap's.
In fact the only other cap I can think of that does this is the Audyn Plus (at least as far as boutique audio caps are concerned). The Audyn Plus is double-wound, but it still costs significantly more than the CSA.
*a range of (small to mid.) values that start at lower prices.
I'm not sure why you would select the "Superior" when you can mix-in a better cap with the CSA (..and arrive at a similar price to the Superior, but with a better result).
In fact the only other cap I can think of that does this is the Audyn Plus (at least as far as boutique audio caps are concerned). The Audyn Plus is double-wound, but it still costs significantly more than the CSA.
*a range of (small to mid.) values that start at lower prices.
I'm not sure why you would select the "Superior" when you can mix-in a better cap with the CSA (..and arrive at a similar price to the Superior, but with a better result).
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ok, well, a friend lent me csa and standardz and i compared them.
I prefer sharply the standardz.
The CSA is very annoying, mids too forward, realy unnatural, rolled-off and the overall music reproduction is realy congested, more 2D than other caps.
CSA creates listening fatigue to me and the music don't flow free like in stadardz.
I don't understand why a cap (the CSA) in that league sounds so bad.
The standardz is more open, more 3D, better balanced over the entire spectum, you can hear better the breath and nuances in more relaxed way then the forward way of CSA.
The standardz is more liquid and free flow then the CSA.
It wil be realy intresting if someone could review Jantzen alu vs sup 🙂
😱, i'm agree with you...i understand that you are a little tired of all my requests 😉
I am very grateful to you 😉
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