Im looking for some high watt, affordable pa horns or tweeters, that will hold up if we run guitars/bass through pa , the columns have 2 12" Premium Celestion Vintage 30 Speakers, want to add horns/ or tweeters
Is this for an instrument amp or PA speakers? That is two different applications, for the instrument amp a small super tweeter is used with a simply high pass filter at 5khz but for a PA speaker a much larger horn and compression driver is used and it carries a larger portion of the load with a crossover at 2khz or lower.
Those 12"s are going to be the weak link in most PA systems.
It might be worth you going for a fairly heavy-duty compression driver, and then using some proper 12" drivers when you next upgrade.
Chris
It might be worth you going for a fairly heavy-duty compression driver, and then using some proper 12" drivers when you next upgrade.
Chris
$50. For that the King of Cheap is the Selenium D220Ti. Unitl/if/when the PRV "equivalent" is ever field proven. (They run about $35 for equal specs, but they don't have the history the Seleniums do, yet.) But you do have to buy a horn lens - starting around $15. Get one 12" wide and the pattern and low frequency limit should be good enough.
Don't buy anything that's "all in one" or has less than a 1.7" coiil to save money - unless it's only used as a 5KHz+ supertweeter. One or two replacment diaphragms later you may as well have just gotten the D220.
Don't buy anything that's "all in one" or has less than a 1.7" coiil to save money - unless it's only used as a 5KHz+ supertweeter. One or two replacment diaphragms later you may as well have just gotten the D220.
+1 on the Selenium or PRV, on a 12"~15" wide horn.
This horn is exceptional (I own four).
Denovo SEOS-12 Waveguide 2/3 Bolt Matte with 1-3/8"-18 TPI Adapter
This is a JBL copy that isn't bad for the money.
Pyle PH612 1" Screw-On Constant Radiation Horn
This horn is exceptional (I own four).
Denovo SEOS-12 Waveguide 2/3 Bolt Matte with 1-3/8"-18 TPI Adapter
This is a JBL copy that isn't bad for the money.
Pyle PH612 1" Screw-On Constant Radiation Horn
chriss661 any recommendations on some good drivers the pa is for our band so in some cases it may be cool to be able to play strictly through the pa no stage amps lol the lower the cost the better
In the USA, look at the Eminence Delta Pro 12A, they have decent bass in a medium sized box, a very good midrange, handle a lot of power, and are not that expensive.
A friend's PA with same. I don't like rat-fur and expanded metal, but he does.
The tops are flat to 50hz for stand alone use in a small situation, the subs get added for a large club.
A friend's PA with same. I don't like rat-fur and expanded metal, but he does.
The tops are flat to 50hz for stand alone use in a small situation, the subs get added for a large club.
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The SEOS-12 is only $28 at Home page DIY Sound Group. Erich imports the Denovo & AutoTech horns/waveguides from Poland.
Parts Express has free freight, and comes with thread-on adaptor.
I bought my four from Erich , and ended up paying more (with freight).
PE is also very flexible for returns.
I wish I had bought a couple of their DNA-360 to try out.
I bought my four from Erich , and ended up paying more (with freight).
PE is also very flexible for returns.
I wish I had bought a couple of their DNA-360 to try out.
What kind of presence do you get from the SEOS-12 at a distance, compared to a deeper horn? Does it beam much? For live sound, I'd be concerned with how shallow it is.
I own a pair of B&C DE250s, I'd be curious to A/B compare one with the DNA-360. As it's a less expensive knock-off, the difference might all come down to listening fatigue...?
I think PE's free shipping is for orders over $98. DIY Sound Group has an attractive website, tho I've never ordered from them; I wasn't aware of their stipulations.
I own a pair of B&C DE250s, I'd be curious to A/B compare one with the DNA-360. As it's a less expensive knock-off, the difference might all come down to listening fatigue...?
I think PE's free shipping is for orders over $98. DIY Sound Group has an attractive website, tho I've never ordered from them; I wasn't aware of their stipulations.
"What kind of presence do you get from the SEOS-12 at a distance, compared to a deeper horn? Does it beam much? For live sound, I'd be concerned with how shallow it is."
The SEOS (or Econowave for that matter) are short-throw horns. Neither one beams. The depth controls the lower cut-off point for crossover purposes.
"I own a pair of B&C DE250s, I'd be curious to A/B compare one with the DNA-360. As it's a less expensive knock-off, the difference might all come down to listening fatigue...?"
It's pretty much a copy, including relevant materials that might control listening fatigue.
"I think PE's free shipping is for orders over $98. DIY Sound Group has an attractive website, tho I've never ordered from them; I wasn't aware of their stipulations. "
I have no problem with DIY Sound Group, I have bought drivers, horns, and baffles from them. Their prices are fair, and their service is prompt; first rate all the way around. My point still stands on PE as regards free freight, a return policy, etc.
The SEOS (or Econowave for that matter) are short-throw horns. Neither one beams. The depth controls the lower cut-off point for crossover purposes.
"I own a pair of B&C DE250s, I'd be curious to A/B compare one with the DNA-360. As it's a less expensive knock-off, the difference might all come down to listening fatigue...?"
It's pretty much a copy, including relevant materials that might control listening fatigue.
"I think PE's free shipping is for orders over $98. DIY Sound Group has an attractive website, tho I've never ordered from them; I wasn't aware of their stipulations. "
I have no problem with DIY Sound Group, I have bought drivers, horns, and baffles from them. Their prices are fair, and their service is prompt; first rate all the way around. My point still stands on PE as regards free freight, a return policy, etc.
It works great for live sound. Similar or less distortion than the qsc waveguide. An exponential would probably load it better, but it's a good compromise. Just keep realistic expectations of clean output levels. It gets a little harsh compared to a 3" diaphragm when asked to keep up with a high output midbass at 1.4k.
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