i talked to a tech guy in a shop and asked about cabinetsThe price difference mostly is due to DSP and Dante networking, not to the enclosure material.
he was firm saying that between two PA speakers same drivers and electronics but one wood and the other plastic absolutely there is no question The wood cabinet sounds much better
maybe he lied to me?
Ignorance produces the same result as lying, although unintentionally.
Photos of the control panels of both models, only CDL12 has the network port (upper right corner - "control"):
Plastic enclosure model CDL12P has only rotary control in the uper right corner and no network port.
Drivers and amplifiers are the same.
Photos of the control panels of both models, only CDL12 has the network port (upper right corner - "control"):
Plastic enclosure model CDL12P has only rotary control in the uper right corner and no network port.
Drivers and amplifiers are the same.
ok but what about the sound good lordIgnorance produces the same result as lying, although unintentionally.
Photos of the control panels of both models, only CDL12 has the network port (upper right corner - "control"):
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Plastic enclosure model CDL12P has only rotary control in the uper right corner and no network port.
Drivers and amplifiers are the same.
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Do they sound the same?
i mean does the cabinet contribute to the sound or not? that is the question
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Cabinet design contributes a lot. Such as internal volume, ports, resonance, x-y-z dimensions, etc. Wall material? Yes, but in a way lower level. Cabinets are presumed rigid; none is of course
But any competent design will take care of that. If you use 1mm thick walls, both will be a mess. Extending the analysis: both lose, big time, compared to, say, a concrete or brick walls one.
But any competent design will take care of that. If you use 1mm thick walls, both will be a mess. Extending the analysis: both lose, big time, compared to, say, a concrete or brick walls one.
Cabinet material has very small influence to the sound, assuming competent enclosure design - which should be the case here.ok but what about the sound good lord
Do they sound the same?
i mean does the cabinet contribute to the sound or not? that is the question
Have you listened to these speakers?i talked to a tech guy in a shop
Thanks a lot 👍 and sorry for the good lord ...Cabinet design contributes a lot. Such as internal volume, ports, resonance, x-y-z dimensions, etc. Wall material? Yes, but in a way lower level. Cabinets are presumed rigid; none is of course
But any competent design will take care of that. If you use 1mm thick walls, both will be a mess. Extending the analysis: both lose, big time, compared to, say, a concrete or brick walls one.
incidentally i notice now that both the version have similar weight ... lately i have become fanatic about the weight
The more the better Expecially when lower frequencies reproduction is the goal No more doubts about cabinets
However 🙂 i see very rare plastic cabinets around Expecially for DIY projects Wood seems the natural choice almost always
Great ! message received I have some difficulties to accept plastics for cabinet I understand that for wet environments are a very good optionCabinet material has very small influence to the sound, assuming competent enclosure design - which should be the case here.
I wonder how DIY people can make plastic cabinets
No i was there to check prices And i ask about the cabinets because i understand that some manufacturers propose plastic and wood cabinets versions same drivers and electronics As i said above i cannot see plastic as cabinet materialHave you listened to these speakers?
I bought some small plastic PA speakers just to cannibalize the parts inside The cost of good new drivers has become very high So i have to hunt around
It would be interesting to listen to the CDLs as stereo speakers🤔
I was told about a man who casts sewer wells or something like that out of plastic waste and sand for sale.how DIY people can make plastic cabinets
I have the feeling that they would sound really good But honestly i listen from 10 ft max A friend of mine sent me to check prices for his rumpus roomIt would be interesting to listen to the CDLs as stereo speakers🤔
I am afraid that it will result much costlier than the old good wood ...I was told about a man who casts sewer wells or something like that out of plastic waste and sand for sale.
rather uneven https://pierreaubert.github.io/spinorama/speakers/Presonus CDL12/Presonus/index_vendor-v1x.html
If I wanted to make 12 subwoofers of 50 liters each, I would ask this guy for a priceI am afraid that it will result much costlier than the old good wood
Does it have to be a plastic - have you ruled out all reinforced resin systems, and why?I wonder how DIY people can make plastic cabinets
Hi thank you very much I would like to see the same set of measurements for any speaker They look very professional to merather uneven https://pierreaubert.github.io/spinorama/speakers/Presonus CDL12/Presonus/index_vendor-v1x.html
If I wanted to make 12 subwoofers of 50 liters each, I would ask this guy for a price
For PA i would look at Electrovoice as a first ... then JBL or QSC The choice is immense really
But considering a normal home listening i like very much speakers like this as a concept
https://static.strumenti.net/produc...audiolp8v2monitordastudiobiamplificato8-4.jpg
to limit tweeter dispersion I have the feeling that the material out of which the lens is made counts in the sound It should not vibrate ? it could add distortions
Because i think that wood is a much easier material to work with Who makes reinforced resin DIY speakers ? 1 out 1000 ? there must be a reasonDoes it have to be a plastic - have you ruled out all reinforced resin systems, and why?
Apologies, got you mixed up with the OP's original question!Because i think that wood is a much easier material to work with Who makes reinforced resin DIY speakers ? 1 out 1000 ? there must be a reason
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JBL 308 thin plastic baffle modification: http://noaudiophile.com/JBL_LSR308/
'm using SEOS24, about 1/2" fiberglass and also I have thin plastic XT1464 and massive JABO-KH-53 Horn; the different shape is definitely audible, I can't say the same about the material. But in all cases, the tromba sits on top of the mid-bass box.a normal home listening i
JBL 308 thin plastic baffle modification: http://noaudiophile.com/JBL_LSR308/
Yes... For DIY or small production runs, the practical advantage of wood-based sheet products is overwhelming. Any material which might offer better performance than plywood / MDF / HDF will be much more expensive, and only marginally better. Of course I am assuming that best-practice plywood / MDF / HDF design and construction techniques are used.I am afraid that it will result much costlier than the old good wood
If the shape is right, 3-4 mm PVC will do the trick up to fairly large enclosures.
The speaker below has all neo drivers, yet the weight of the drivers is more than that of the enclosure. Total weight around 5 1/2 kilo's. It can play a large room to disco levels.
Because of the low weight, counter moving bass drivers are mandatory. Otherwise, the whole enclosure would shake. In the setup shown below, there is a complete absence of vibrations in the enclosure.
I am taking orders for these speakers, setting up a business in bespoke speakers. Not easy to manufacture in a diy setting though.
The speaker below has all neo drivers, yet the weight of the drivers is more than that of the enclosure. Total weight around 5 1/2 kilo's. It can play a large room to disco levels.
Because of the low weight, counter moving bass drivers are mandatory. Otherwise, the whole enclosure would shake. In the setup shown below, there is a complete absence of vibrations in the enclosure.
I am taking orders for these speakers, setting up a business in bespoke speakers. Not easy to manufacture in a diy setting though.
🤔It can play a large room to disco levels.
...there is a complete absence of vibrations in the enclosure.
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