I've just picked up a freebie locally.
This one needs a new power cable to be legal and probably why it was free.
But it is fitted with a new OM-10 cartridge so it's probably worth fixing up. What is it that I should do; if anything?
Lubrication? If so how and with what?
Was it considered a decent TT or just something entry level, as it is pretty basic and lightweight
This one needs a new power cable to be legal and probably why it was free.
But it is fitted with a new OM-10 cartridge so it's probably worth fixing up. What is it that I should do; if anything?
Lubrication? If so how and with what?
Was it considered a decent TT or just something entry level, as it is pretty basic and lightweight
Here's the wee beastie: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/rotel/rp1300.shtml
It probably could do with a new belt.
And light oil (sewing machine oil) for the main platter bearing and top motor bearing.
It probably could do with a new belt.
And light oil (sewing machine oil) for the main platter bearing and top motor bearing.
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Is there a trick or technique for getting a small cable gland back into it's hole?
I've just replaced the power cord with a legal double insulated cable with a 2-pin Australian plug and I can't get the small cable gland to go back into the housing.
Never had this trouble before with 10A glands but this is a 7.5A cable and gland and I am have trouble.
I've just replaced the power cord with a legal double insulated cable with a 2-pin Australian plug and I can't get the small cable gland to go back into the housing.
Never had this trouble before with 10A glands but this is a 7.5A cable and gland and I am have trouble.
Well using a water based lubricant helped but I had to trim a millimetre off the glands security tab, while it looked the same size as the original cord it was fractionally larger. The last person to work on this TT screwed the Masonite bottom down so hard all the screws have penetrated and I'll have to go out later and buy a pack of 3mm washers but it is back together and I've ordered a new belt and maybe I'll order a new stylus just in case
Yes Galu That's exactly what it is.
It's been a couple of years since I bought replacement stylus and the increase in cost is significant, almost the same cost as a new cartridge, but the OM-10 is a reasonable unit and somebody obviously thought the TT was up to using it.
Ditto for the cost of belts
It's been a couple of years since I bought replacement stylus and the increase in cost is significant, almost the same cost as a new cartridge, but the OM-10 is a reasonable unit and somebody obviously thought the TT was up to using it.
Ditto for the cost of belts
Yep, a complete Audio Technica AT-VM95E can be purchased here for less than the price of an OM 10 styus.
Both are superior to the Rotel 2RC-5 conical stylus cartridge originally fitted as stock.
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/rotel/2rc-5.shtml
I think the OM-10 takes this turntable to the limits of its performance capability. The likes of an inexpensive Audio Technica AT91(R) with conical stylus and 2.0 g tracking force would better match the original 2RC-5. An Audio Technica cartridge is fitted in my photograph above.
P.S. Belt here costs £8.75.
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That's a Heyco. The company has gone on to more products but I found the original:
https://www.heyco.com/Strain_Relief...Relief-Round-1§ion=Strain_Relief_Bushings
https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/I...nics-1946-05-OCR-Page-0336.pdf#search="heyco"
I asked Ortofon about the new range of cartridges compared to my existing OM10s
I'm reproducing the reply here
Some of you will know all this already but some may not
The 2M series is designed with the improvements that were made going from the OM cartridge to the Super OM cartridge as the foundation. As such the overall hierarchy listed as good, better, best would be OM 10 < Super OM 10 < 2M Red. The improvements aren’t huge though and you could get just as big, if not bigger improvements by replacing the stylus of the cartridges with a better one.
The Super OM series and the 2M series cartridges feature Ortofon’s trademark Split Pole pins, an invention that enables moving magnet cartridges to have a flat frequency response, as with a moving coil cartridge. Split pole pins were invented by Ortofon and were originally presented in the 500 series and Super OM series; therefore, the Super OM models are superior to OM cartridges.
Both OM and Super OM cartridges accommodate a wide range of replacement styli for OM cartridges, depending on home system, application, and budget:
5E, 10, 20, 30, 40, 78 all found at https://www.ortofon.com/hifi/products/replacement-styli .
The 5E, 10, and 20 works on most systems, while the Stylus 30 and 40 has been made with high end turntables in mind, and the 78 is for 78rpm mono records.
Physically 2M styli will fit on alternative 2M cartridges bodies, but 2M Series cartridges’ engines, coils and magnets configurations are not quite identical: Red and Blue are identical, so are the Bronze, Black, and Black LVB 250 and so are the true mono variants 2M Mono and 2M 78.
I'm reproducing the reply here
Some of you will know all this already but some may not
The 2M series is designed with the improvements that were made going from the OM cartridge to the Super OM cartridge as the foundation. As such the overall hierarchy listed as good, better, best would be OM 10 < Super OM 10 < 2M Red. The improvements aren’t huge though and you could get just as big, if not bigger improvements by replacing the stylus of the cartridges with a better one.
The Super OM series and the 2M series cartridges feature Ortofon’s trademark Split Pole pins, an invention that enables moving magnet cartridges to have a flat frequency response, as with a moving coil cartridge. Split pole pins were invented by Ortofon and were originally presented in the 500 series and Super OM series; therefore, the Super OM models are superior to OM cartridges.
Both OM and Super OM cartridges accommodate a wide range of replacement styli for OM cartridges, depending on home system, application, and budget:
5E, 10, 20, 30, 40, 78 all found at https://www.ortofon.com/hifi/products/replacement-styli .
The 5E, 10, and 20 works on most systems, while the Stylus 30 and 40 has been made with high end turntables in mind, and the 78 is for 78rpm mono records.
Physically 2M styli will fit on alternative 2M cartridges bodies, but 2M Series cartridges’ engines, coils and magnets configurations are not quite identical: Red and Blue are identical, so are the Bronze, Black, and Black LVB 250 and so are the true mono variants 2M Mono and 2M 78.
I've heard that the 2M Red and Blue generators are identical to the OM series generators, and the Bronze an Black ones are identical to the SuperOM's. Disguising these with new clothes isn't anything more that just a marketing gimmick for Ortofon.
And I really don't intend to disregard these Ortofon catridges, mind you 😉 .
Best regards!
And I really don't intend to disregard these Ortofon catridges, mind you 😉 .
Best regards!
How much of an improvement were the Super OM over the original OM series?
I used to think I could hear a difference but these days I am not so sure.
I used to think I could hear a difference but these days I am not so sure.
How so Jeff?
Also as I need a new TT and been thinking about the Project Debut Carbon [ due to budget restraints] how does the blue "Pick-It" 25S compare to the Super OM series or is it simply a coloured version of the SuperOM10E ??
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I meant to type 25A
Also as I need a new TT and been thinking about the Project Debut Carbon [ due to budget restraints] how does the blue "Pick-It" 25S compare to the Super OM series or is it simply a coloured version of the SuperOM10E ??
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I meant to type 25A
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I heard one on a Project Xpression. Bloody awfull, spitty harsh treble. We thought maybe the shop had screwed up the alignment, but it was spot on. Funny, because my friend was upgrading from a Project Debut III, which was pretty awful as well. He ended up with a used Rega P3. Much better, but he also had a Systemdek IIX with a modified Rega RB250 arm which was the best of the bunch. Of course he sold that table. 
jeff
jeff
Do you mean the Pick-it 25A?
It is said to be based on Ortofon’s best-selling entry level OM10, modified to Project’s specifications.
It features silver coils and an elliptical stylus.
I see that this TT comes fitted with the Ortofon 2M Red.
The simplest upgrade is to change the stylus to that of an Ortofon 2M Blue.
The Blue has a higher-end, nude elliptical stylus and is said to outperform its little brother, the 2M Red, by quite some margin.
Slip of the keyboard, I was supposed to type"A"
I've gone back and made an edit.
So not the Super OM10E then?
One of the reasons I am looking at the TT is the included "gift" of the discwasher and I do need to claen a lot of my older vinyl
I've gone back and made an edit.
So not the Super OM10E then?
One of the reasons I am looking at the TT is the included "gift" of the discwasher and I do need to claen a lot of my older vinyl
Don't be lured in by the free stuff. What kind of discwasher is it? Just get a Spin-Clean, and a better turntable.
The old Discwasher with the wood handle didn't clean, it just spread the dirt around.
jeff
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billshurv seems to think the Pick-it is a Super OM with silver coils here:
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=118985
Note also the statement that the Pick-it is superior to the stock OM10 in this Pro-Ject TT review:
https://www.hifinews.com/content/pro-ject-debut-iii-s-audiophile-turntable-page-2