Also it should be mentioned that nearly if not all full range drivers have a rising response near the 10kHz. This can easily me mitigated by listening off axis by as little as 10 degrees bringing that "hump" down to flat. That is one of the reasons full range drivers are so easily set up and placed in rooms to everyone's preference...
Maop10.2 dont need off axis.Also it should be mentioned that nearly if not all full range drivers have a rising response near the 10kHz. This can easily me mitigated by listening off axis by as little as 10 degrees bringing that "hump" down to flat. That is one of the reasons full range drivers are so easily set up and placed in rooms to everyone's preference...
MAOP 10.2 still has a rising response of 15dBs from 6kHz to 12kHz!Maop10.2 dont need off axis.
If that's fine with you, that's ok, but it wouldn't for me.
When listening to the Maop 10.2 I can't hear the volume increase as you claim.MAOP 10.2 still has a rising response of 15dBs from 6kHz to 12kHz!
If that's fine with you, that's ok, but it wouldn't for me.
It would be nice to get an explanation for your statement.
Has anyone measured this?
Well you can listen a little off axel. 😉
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Yes absolutely.The point is you can adjust your speakers on or degrees of off axis as you please. In different rooms you will need to use different setups again... Just play with toe in or off axis until it suites your needs!
That is so wisely said.
When I think about it, the Alpair 11MS can be experienced as a bit difficult to listen to in 7000hz - 12000hz.
But Maop 10.2 is not experienced that way at all.
Otherwise, you can see a certain increase in that area on most full range drivers.
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Well, I thought a 15dB rise starting at 6kHz was easy to understand, but a picture is worth a thousand words, they say, so here it goes:When listening to the Maop 10.2 I can't hear the volume increase as you claim.
It would be nice to get an explanation for your statement.
Has anyone measured this?
Well you can listen a little off axel. 😉
Thanks. It start to raise at 6000hz.Well, I thought a 15dB rise starting at 6kHz was easy to understand, but a picture is worth a thousand words, they say, so here it goes:
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Yes. Loudness curve.. 🙂
Boosted sibilance, definition, pierce, Eek! With my tinnitus I could use some 'definition' (~6 - 9 kHz) nowadays for soundtracks where there's lots of background/underlying soundtracks masking folks speaking in lower voices, but sibilance is what younger folks mostly 'key'/rely on, so I need 'flat' or a broadband dip rather than boost and use EQ.
Interesting.The bass is very good. Tight, controlled with the correct timbre and reverb for my taste. It does drop off really quick below 55hz but thats expected in a sealed cabinet. The overall presentation of the soundstage and imaging is what I'm used to and extremely similar to the Jordan Eikona in my main system. With the 8" driver the dynamics are effortless and they fill the room with ease. I have tried a lot of full rangers over the years including most Mark Audio drivers, Jordan Eikonas and Seas FA22RCZ. Although all these drivers are somewhat simialr, for the price of this SB driver it is easily the best Ive heard!
You have found something that suits you.
Different and better.
Cheaper +++
Maybe I will try a pair myself. 😉
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It also shows the danger of pictures.Well, I thought a 15dB rise starting at 6kHz was easy to understand, but a picture is worth a thousand words, they say, so here it goes:
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See attached: I've roughly drawn in two of the 10dB vertical divisions between horizontal green lines. This is by hand in Windows Paint for brevity so it's not perfect but ~'near enough' to illustrate.
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And the MAOP is also 5x the price…..that’s relative to the discussion don’t ya think?Maop10.2 dont need off axis.
Great job on these! And your choice of a sealed box was a wise compromise….I would expect the midbass to be really accurate with an f3 of 60hz really easy to integrate to a subwoofer if one needed the deeper extension.The point is you can adjust your speakers on or degrees of off axis as you please. In different rooms you will need to use different setups again... Just play with toe in or off axis until it suites your needs!
SB20 is a bargain. Like Visaton bg20.I was mostly replying to the comment that the moap didn’t have a rising fr.
Since this is the SB20 thread, will get back on the subject.
Yes 5x the price.And the MAOP is also 5x the price…..that’s relative to the discussion don’t ya think?
In the official SB Acoustics website they provide some technical notes as they refer: "Use this well known series capacitor trick to obtain nice flat frequency response from very small sealed box enclosures." at: https://sbacoustics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Capacitor-Tuning.pdfThe bass is very good. Tight, controlled with the correct timbre and reverb for my taste. It does drop off really quick below 55hz but thats expected in a sealed cabinet. The overall presentation of the soundstage and imaging is what I'm used to and extremely similar to the Jordan Eikona in my main system. With the 8" driver the dynamics are effortless and they fill the room with ease. I have tried a lot of full rangers over the years including most Mark Audio drivers, Jordan Eikonas and Seas FA22RCZ. Although all these drivers are somewhat simialr, for the price of this SB driver it is easily the best Ive heard!
They tell that it is a well-known trick that will get you a nice flat response with good low frequency extension in a sealed box that apparently is too small.
I never tried it but it might be a good solution.
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