Sure, every material has different pros/cons for rigidity, internal damping, durability.
We are using a carbon loaded PLA for the horn, it's super light and very rigid. Right now in a sub-optimal MDF cabinet the printed parts are no noisier than the enclosure. The whole assembly has a primary resonance, which you expect, it's pretty high up there indicating decent rigidity, but it's not as damped as we'd like.
We don't have good distortion measurements as we've so far measured in our office (we're in an industrial park so getting real outdoor measurements requires a late-night weekend venture and we'll do that when we have the final bamboo box. Frequency response doesn't show any serious anomolies beyond results others have shown, and that was done in a small office with a mountain of reflections. And yeah, it sounds great!
When we switch to the bamboo shell we are going to treat a few of the larger, flatter surfaces on the box and the printed horn with acoustamat to deaden the enclosure.
Hi, I'm new to DIY Audio.
I've been wanting to build something along the lines of Danley Sound Labs synergy horn for a while now but after seeing the SyntripP I've changed my mind.
I noticed in the OP that there are plans for DIY'ers? Could someone direct me to these?
I've been wanting to build something along the lines of Danley Sound Labs synergy horn for a while now but after seeing the SyntripP I've changed my mind.
I noticed in the OP that there are plans for DIY'ers? Could someone direct me to these?
there are no plans, 'we' only have what is here in the topic and there is a synergy design tool called SynergyCalc designed by Bill Waslo. Also you can design using Hornresp with the multiple entry horn option.
I'm considering buying
2x Celestion CDX1-1445 tweeter (HF) drivers
8x
FaitalPRO 6FE100 6" Professional Midrange Midbass Woofer 8 Ohm
and
8x
FaitalPRO 3FE25 3" Professional Full-Range Woofer 8 Ohm
these will be going into two Synergy horns roughly 600mm wide x 400mm high x 240mm deep. Pretty much the same as the SynergyCalc plans.
Whats a smart approach to calculating, buying and building a project like this? Would I do it in that order? I feel like just buying the drivers so I can just get strait into the calculation side and not change my mind onto something else and have to wait for shipping.
Advice, guidance, criticism, anything would be much appreciated
Thanks 🙂
2x Celestion CDX1-1445 tweeter (HF) drivers
8x
FaitalPRO 6FE100 6" Professional Midrange Midbass Woofer 8 Ohm
and
8x
FaitalPRO 3FE25 3" Professional Full-Range Woofer 8 Ohm
these will be going into two Synergy horns roughly 600mm wide x 400mm high x 240mm deep. Pretty much the same as the SynergyCalc plans.
Whats a smart approach to calculating, buying and building a project like this? Would I do it in that order? I feel like just buying the drivers so I can just get strait into the calculation side and not change my mind onto something else and have to wait for shipping.
Advice, guidance, criticism, anything would be much appreciated
Thanks 🙂
Before starting a speaker project, it is best to determine what goals are important to it's success, such as budget, frequency response, dispersion pattern, and desired SPL. I described a 10 point goal criteria in the OP- your goals may have little in common with them.
Some basic calculations are important- for instance, your choice of 4x 6" drivers would have about 20% less displacement than the 2x10" used in the SynTripP design, more expense, complexity and less output. The mids would more than keep up though ;^).
Regarding SynTripP plans, as stated in the OP, Post #41 contains plans and a preliminary parts lists, Post #61 has the completed parts lists and assembly instructions, Post #100 has photos of the bass reflex port details, Post #115 has the throat port detail. Posts #128, 138, & 568 have injection port and cone filler details.
Cheers,
Art
Thanks Art, good advice on goal setting considering my hastiness to buy a bunch of drivers! 😀 I got a bit blind sighted by USRFobiwan's link there (the 4x6" plans), struck by awe after wanting to build a horn project for so long, then stumbling upon this thread, its exciting!
Calculations isn't my strong point, I'm self taught in audio and but have good electrical knowledge (electrician) and woodwork skills. I understand what you mean by basic calculations, but I would like to just try and mimic the different builds here, and if I fail, thats probably inevitable but not necessarily a bad thing.
I'll look at all your post recommendations thank you 🙂
I also reached out to fellow Australian FinBot, and will be attending the next Rainbow Serpent Festival to hear his SyntripP's in action!
Cheers,
riji
Updated SolidWorks file
Hi SynTripP fans,
Just checking back a few weeks later if there is any possibility of sharing the SolidWorks files for this with the community?
I was hoping to do an A/B test with a standard plywood build and a 3D printed build to get some science around the performance of 3D printed enclosures and would love to kick it off with the SynTripP.
Art, would this be OK with you? A lot of us would be tremendously grateful if you would let Mr.Speakers share their model, assuming of course that was OK with them as well!
Thanks again for all your hard work on this. You're doing the next gen DIY Audio community a massive service.
All my best,
Noah
Hi SynTripP fans,
Just checking back a few weeks later if there is any possibility of sharing the SolidWorks files for this with the community?
I was hoping to do an A/B test with a standard plywood build and a 3D printed build to get some science around the performance of 3D printed enclosures and would love to kick it off with the SynTripP.
Art, would this be OK with you? A lot of us would be tremendously grateful if you would let Mr.Speakers share their model, assuming of course that was OK with them as well!
Thanks again for all your hard work on this. You're doing the next gen DIY Audio community a massive service.
All my best,
Noah
Noah,
If Mr. Speakers wants to share his files, I'm OK with that.
If you would like to compare a standard plywood build and a 3D printed version, go ahead!
Cheers,
Art
That's great, thanks for your blessing. Will check in with Mr. Speakers and see how they feel about sharing, then come back with some comparison results once I get both built.
Much obliged!
Best,
Noah
We're just about done, and sure, when we're finished we'll be happy to share STL files for print, cut sheets, and laser patterns. The project got slowed down due to a combination of parent-care and worked getting BUSY, but that's life for ya.
We designed the box to screw together so assembly is super fast, and the rear panel is easily removed to service drivers, etc.
Printing the parts takes a while, and a good large format printer. We ended up using a carbon fiber filament that was dimensionally stable when cooling to keep the part on the platform, it's not a print job for newbies.
Cutting the wood with the laser was done on a 100W CO2 with a 5" lens, anything shorter was char-o-rama. We're debating whether to sand and seal the exterior to let the wood show, or just basic sound-system-black.
We designed the box to screw together so assembly is super fast, and the rear panel is easily removed to service drivers, etc.
Printing the parts takes a while, and a good large format printer. We ended up using a carbon fiber filament that was dimensionally stable when cooling to keep the part on the platform, it's not a print job for newbies.
Cutting the wood with the laser was done on a 100W CO2 with a 5" lens, anything shorter was char-o-rama. We're debating whether to sand and seal the exterior to let the wood show, or just basic sound-system-black.
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Done!
We're super happy with how these came out. The sound is very clean and coherent, the phase results show that really clearly, they're totally linear through the low mids through the middle of the highs.
EQ was not terribly complex, we're currently using a MiniDSP and it took a few hours to work it and feel it was pretty well optimized. We used a simple combination of shelves and one or two EQ points on the mids and highs and came up with the results shown below.
For curiosity we'll be testing the DIRAC impulse response optimization soon.
We loved the way the bamboo came out, and the black cuts from the laser gave it a slick looking trim, so we left the screws exposed, and ran with an oil-based wood clear coat. Bamboo is super hard, we'll see how that works out over time.
We're super happy with how these came out. The sound is very clean and coherent, the phase results show that really clearly, they're totally linear through the low mids through the middle of the highs.
EQ was not terribly complex, we're currently using a MiniDSP and it took a few hours to work it and feel it was pretty well optimized. We used a simple combination of shelves and one or two EQ points on the mids and highs and came up with the results shown below.
For curiosity we'll be testing the DIRAC impulse response optimization soon.
We loved the way the bamboo came out, and the black cuts from the laser gave it a slick looking trim, so we left the screws exposed, and ran with an oil-based wood clear coat. Bamboo is super hard, we'll see how that works out over time.
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Very nice work, MrSpeakers!
Can you please share with us the name and model do 3D printer you used and the material? Is it continuous carbon fiber filled nylon filament or chopped carbon? Or did you use a 3D print shop?
Thanks,
X
Can you please share with us the name and model do 3D printer you used and the material? Is it continuous carbon fiber filled nylon filament or chopped carbon? Or did you use a 3D print shop?
Thanks,
X
We used a heavily modified 3D printer with a 300 x 300 mm plate, modified firmware, and highly customized print head. There's no way most people would reproduce this readily, better to spend $700-1000 for a proper large format printer that doesn't need the customizations.
The filament was chopped carbon fiber PETG. A good printer would have a 400mm x 400mm base, smaller bases will have trouble holding the temp uniform to the edges, increasing the risk of lift. We used a little cyanocrylic to tack the corners down to the plate.
Congrats!
Congrats, these look awesome! Looking forward to seeing those STL files. You're going to make a lot of people happy. 😉
Thanks again,
JSS
Congrats, these look awesome! Looking forward to seeing those STL files. You're going to make a lot of people happy. 😉
Thanks again,
JSS