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What's the PSRR of an emitter follower?

Posted 16th April 2015 at 01:28 AM by abraxalito

I asked this question of Yahoo and didn't find anything much - a few people mentioning the PSRR of their C-multipliers but no simulation results and no algebra. So I fired up LTspice for myself to take a look. The transistor models are the usual Gummel-Poon ones LTspice provides (one up from hybrid-pi) which look to be decent enough for this purpose.

I went for two EFs (sometimes called EF2) as that's probably a more practical arrangement in an audio amp. Some designers even prefer EF3 to get much lighter loading on the VAS/TIS. The EF load I made independent of the bias current so I could learn more about biassing. I used AC simulation to have a look at how the PSRR varied over the audio band.

Turns out the PSRR depends on at least three circuit details and one inherent characteristic of the EF transistor used. In no particular order the circuit aspects which matter are the source impedance seen by the base of the EF, secondly the load impedance seen and finally the bias (emitter) current.

The transistor figure of merit which trumps most of the circuit details is the Early voltage - in Spice its termed 'VAF' meaning 'forward Early voltage'. Its a measure of the collector output impedance - if the curves of iC vs VCE at varying iB show horizontal lines you've got a high VAF transistor and can expect decent PSRR from your EF. Sloping lines are bad news for PSRR.

I like intuitive ways of getting a grip on what's going on - how I do this for the EF is it has an input impedance (hoe looking into its collector) and an output impedance (1/gm looking into the emitter). To a first order the PSRR is the ratio of these two but both decrease with increasing iC (hence iE).

Overall though it was rather a shock to me that the PSRR could be so bad. But then again it can look quite good given judicious choice of EF transistor and its model. For example Bob Cordell's model for the MJE15032 has VAF=2000 which is an amazingly high figure. He must have measured real transistors as the DS doesn't give any indication how this figure could be derived - I need to ask him directly how he got it so high. Perhaps there's an error somewhere because I was under the impression that the king of VAF was the 2SC3503. Bob's model for this has it has 'only' 769 which seems very reasonable as the iC lines look amazingly flat in the DS all the way up to 100V.

The outcome of my short time running sims has made it obvious to me that the simple PSRR plot shown for my LM4766 cannot reflect the real world application - simply because no load resistance is specified and no output voltage (hence EF emitter current) is specified. Both these make a difference to the PSRR in practice. We can fairly safely assume the PSRR in the DS was simmed with no signal applied and with infinite load impedance attached.

Since composing this but before publishing I found this reference on Bob Cordell's power supplies discussion thread : https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid...ml#post2984622
where a poster did a bare-bones analysis for an EF. jcx disagreed with his result. The mention of EF OPS PSRR didn't generate any discussion.

I realized I forgot to mention one thing about how PSRR varies that came to light. It gets considerably worse as the EF nears saturation - i.e. the output gets closer to the supply rail. There are two effects - the hoe is lowering so PSRR independent of freq goes down. But also the transistor's Ccb gets greater so the PSRR degrades more at higher frequency at higher outputs. This makes sense of subjective observations of SQ - I notice on piano transients (for example) that the die-away is affected by rail capacitance. It also fits with Frank's subjective description of the sound 'falling apart' at higher levels - even if an amp isn't actually clipping, if its spending a larger proportion of its time near the rails the sound's going to get muddier, particularly at HF if the dominant factor affecting SQ is the EF's PSRR.
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    Nice detective work there, Richard! The point about PSRR being dependent on the instantaneous output level [I]is [/I]important, I have noted that some people run tests of a low level HF signal riding on the back of a LF waveform that approaches clipping - and transient excess distortion occurs at the peak values of the LF input. In some sim's I've also noted similar behaviour - time domain glitches are where the action is, and these may easily be missed or hidden in FFT analyses.
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    Posted 16th April 2015 at 10:51 AM by fas42 fas42 is offline
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    I've been wondering what might be the best measurement to capture output stage PSRR issues. As you say perhaps not FFT as the average effect is going to be low but the interference is impulsive. With audio signals having high crest factors the signal isn't in the problem area (near to the rails) for very long.
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    Posted 16th April 2015 at 11:23 AM by abraxalito abraxalito is offline
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    Straight off the top of my head, use Audacity to create a 20Hz square wave, the level of which is near full scale; then add a HF signal of appropriate frequency on top which causes the summed output to reach maximum amplitude, or a touch below - see what the distortion behaviour of that is ...
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    Posted 17th April 2015 at 01:37 AM by fas42 fas42 is offline
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    Speaking of Audacity, here's a beautiful thread with the OP's wife making the following comment which tickled me senseless :

    "I didn't know that the music didn't have to hurt while listening to it"

    https://community.klipsch.com/index....-tracks/page-2
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    Posted 24th April 2015 at 04:50 AM by abraxalito abraxalito is offline
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    Hoo boy ... is that ever relevant when listening to "pro" sound! Mucky sound, amplified to a level to make sure everybody in the place has an unpleasant time of it - the few times they get it right doesn't make the risk of suffering it worthwhile.

    The real downside is that I'm sure that most people now expect sound reinforcement to be bad - they would feel cheated if it wasn't like that - they weren't getting the "live" experience, :p !!
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    Posted 24th April 2015 at 11:40 AM by fas42 fas42 is offline
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    I have a rather old book by E.F.Wolfendale entitled "The Transistor" an Introduction to It's Applications, published by Heywood & Co Ltd in 1963. It discusses transistor behavior in terms of transmission lines, T circuits and hybrid pi equivalents.

    In Wolfendale's model representation of the collector, the collector depletion layer looks like a parallel plate capacitor known as depletion capacitance (Cc,dep) that appears in parallel with the current that reaches the end of an RC transmission line and an open circuit.

    I had never thought in terms of collector impedances - the power supply constituting a load which might alter the voltage according to the collector current being drawn. The collector depletion layer width is a function of the voltage applied to the collector and the greater the voltage the greater the width of the collector depletion layer. As a consequence of the width of the base narrows, which corresponds to a reduced length of the transmission line and reduced input impedance.

    My initial thought was that MJE15032 might one of those devices that are less susceptible to base width modulation effects, as used in a Vas stage.
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    Posted 8th May 2015 at 07:34 AM by mjona mjona is offline
 

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