maybe tell which dac blows out of the water vinyls? If I look at your post, its kinda of unclear what dac would clearly blow out of the water any vinyl rig. Any?
"Digital sounds bigger, analog larger". Now I've heard it all. If you had a clue you would stop this, before you completely swallow your foot. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
Here we go, the Revelation Awakening Experience.
Please join the end of the queue for your slot on TV Evangelists, but you might enrage a few christians when they find your gasping and panting revelations relate to a disc of flat black vinyl plastic as an idol.It's up to you if you like the many ways that vinyl mangles sonics. But if you want a valid revelation, try being a subject in a controlled test comparing a CD with the analog or digital master it is made from. I have. Then, if you have the humility to refrain from trying to shoot the test method in a desperate attempt to maintain old beliefs, you might come to understand that you have thus far been liking wrongness. The wronger the liker.
Just joined this thread.
I will upset more than a few of you.
I have built a pair of speakers that are "live music in your home" good. I will be attending TAVES (Toronto Audio Video Entertainment Show) this weekend, Nov 1-3, 2013, in Toronto of course.
Knowing there will be people who ask why I am NOT using CD's, I will read from an article from AudioStream; DSD DAC's (which is the next generation of CD, not SACD), "just sounds more natural than CD". That's it!!!!. Read it for yourself. Entitled "So what's the big deal about DSD? Listening Notes. READ IT FOR YOURSELF. CD's are the bottom of the barrel if 'believable' is your quest.
My analog rig (Jean Nantais Lenco Reference MKll, Kuzma 4 point tonearm, and ZYX Universe ll) Sounds like the performers are in the room with you. SACD comes close (EMM Labs CDSA se), CD's make my cats run, along with anyone that's heard the analog version.
Sony has done a fabulous job brainwashing a lot of you. Enjoy your CD's.
I will upset more than a few of you.
I have built a pair of speakers that are "live music in your home" good. I will be attending TAVES (Toronto Audio Video Entertainment Show) this weekend, Nov 1-3, 2013, in Toronto of course.
Knowing there will be people who ask why I am NOT using CD's, I will read from an article from AudioStream; DSD DAC's (which is the next generation of CD, not SACD), "just sounds more natural than CD". That's it!!!!. Read it for yourself. Entitled "So what's the big deal about DSD? Listening Notes. READ IT FOR YOURSELF. CD's are the bottom of the barrel if 'believable' is your quest.
My analog rig (Jean Nantais Lenco Reference MKll, Kuzma 4 point tonearm, and ZYX Universe ll) Sounds like the performers are in the room with you. SACD comes close (EMM Labs CDSA se), CD's make my cats run, along with anyone that's heard the analog version.
Sony has done a fabulous job brainwashing a lot of you. Enjoy your CD's.
How apt, indeed they have. 'You' here being the DSD lovers who have fallen for Sony's pitch hook, line and sinker.😀
what is your DAC?
All this thread is about people having top vinyl rig say it sounds better. DUH if your dac reference sucks.
Wayne, you still havent answered my question, what is the DAC you use.
Personnal experience is completely irrelevant if you havent heard both side by side a top of the line vinyl rig and top of the line DAC. Anyone has done that and can report?
Here's a simple question: How much money do you need to spend on your analog rig (TT, tonearm, cartridge, phono amp, record cleaning machine, brushes, cleaning liquids, level, record clamp or puck, anti-vibration feet, solid stand, anti-static gun, cartridge's replacement, quality album, ...) to equal a digital rig (solid quality CD/SACD player, and which comes with one free bonus quality hybrid SACD Multichannel from Channel Classics record label, and that's all)?
Say to equal (or surpass) a digital source playback machine that cost $1,000 USA dollars.
...Overall sound quality wise; frequency response, dynamics, pleasantness, non-fatiguing, natural, neutral, resolved, noise, distortion, and all that jazz.
And! How much time, dedication, adjustments at perfecting all the TT's calibrations required from scientific books, reading the TT gurus, the TT forums, tonearms adjustments, cartridge proper installation with all the elevation, proper speed, tangential horizontal and vertical and tracking force and perfect azimuth and EVERYTHING else, counting the album's flipping every 20 minutes or so (always sitting, standing up, walking, repeating, re-balancing, re-cleaning, re-adjusting, re-speeding, belt checking, ...), all the TT rituals required to equal the amount of time required to put a CD in the player's tray and press play, from your remote control, sitting in your chair, and listening for 80 minutes non-stop?
Say to equal (or surpass) a digital source playback machine that cost $1,000 USA dollars.
...Overall sound quality wise; frequency response, dynamics, pleasantness, non-fatiguing, natural, neutral, resolved, noise, distortion, and all that jazz.
And! How much time, dedication, adjustments at perfecting all the TT's calibrations required from scientific books, reading the TT gurus, the TT forums, tonearms adjustments, cartridge proper installation with all the elevation, proper speed, tangential horizontal and vertical and tracking force and perfect azimuth and EVERYTHING else, counting the album's flipping every 20 minutes or so (always sitting, standing up, walking, repeating, re-balancing, re-cleaning, re-adjusting, re-speeding, belt checking, ...), all the TT rituals required to equal the amount of time required to put a CD in the player's tray and press play, from your remote control, sitting in your chair, and listening for 80 minutes non-stop?
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looks like that 70s lps were soaked in some substance from same age so of course it seems like band is in your house... it is not about money ...why everyone talks about cds y why you dont talk about pc based audio ... with 24/96 flac or pcm music and dac that is not in same box with pc ....that is digital of today ,no transports everything in pc ram.. cds are old now
There was an old joke about Kathryn Kuhlman (a famous American faith healer) putting out a record back in the day. They had a major problem, though- the hole in the center kept healing up.
Yes i know thats why ask, maybe that is not fair to compare thats what i say
You're being irrational.
If analog can't beat CD, HD servers are automatically the winners.
(imo, choices in audio are always about money, as is everything in life)
If analog can't beat CD, HD servers are automatically the winners.
(imo, choices in audio are always about money, as is everything in life)
Ahhhhh Northstar, I humbly must agree with you.
In addition to all you said, some albums where cut on a lathe which itself was not perfectly aligned. At the level of my system, I sometimes need to readjust azimuth, now that's a pain.
The question is; is it worth it?. For me it is. The performers are in the room with me, and that is my Holy Grail.
I own an EMM Labs CDSA se. The DAC is internal. There was a time when this $10,000.00 player was ranked among the best on the planet.
Now let me share with you some 'secret' information;
The amount of information (digits) on a DSD master hard drive is staggering. It is known by industry insiders that a master DSD contains more information than a master tape. A disc, be it CD, SACD, or Blue Ray, cannot hold all this information. It is a matter of storage space. Here is the problem: How to get people to buy dedicated audio computers, than get them to buy a removable hard drive where ONLY ONE album 'fits' onto this $100.00 + 'cartridge'. You've read that correctly. Imagine something like the old style 8 track tape, only a hard drive, and having to carry and/or store hard drives on your shelf.
Well folks, let me be the first to say, as an analogue junky, as soon as 'musical', the performers are in your room, hard drive albums, become available, at any price, I will be the first in line.
DSD is the single greatest way to record an album. We just need to get all this 'information' into our stereo, and that my friends, is a long way away.
If you think I'm a relic, you should see my flip cell phone. Time to get back to my Pac Man game,.........., now what did I do with those quarters?.
Best answer yet. I like others thought it was some kind of residue left from the pressing process. It has the feel of a residue of some kind but you are probably correct in saying it's simply bad pressings.
I like vinyl for it's euphoric effect (mild distortion) but digital is far cleaner and usually better to my ears when done well with recent modern recordings.
This debate is similar to two different religious sects arguing over which one got it 'right'. It will never be resolved, even if it went on for a thousand years!
I didn't state I wasn't a relic (including the flip cell phone, I'll be damned before I spend half my day answering txt messages and/or develop a touch-screen index finger syndrome)
Hard drives are cheap as dirt nowadays (& big buck guys have the option of SSD's), broadband download speed allows any format.
Before long, a vast range of recordings will be available for download as lossless files, including digitised vinyl.
Take e.g. Christian Rintelen in Switzerland, currently offers to digitise LP's for individuals, to a 192kHz sample rate file if so desired.
He'd be unwise not to retain copies, to sell as downloads at a later stage.
An even more commercial bloke would just buy up digitised recordings, to merchandise on the web.
Eventually, it's the offer/supply side that will be the end of both LP and CD.
(I enjoy both analog vinyl, CD, and music servers, not at poverty level)
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