I have no idea what you are asking or the point of your message.
I do not wish to engage with you, please do not reach out through any means.
All the best and thank you.
Seb
Andrea,
Posts like that are not helpful. Show some respect to your peers.
And, measurements are more sensitive than your hearing is. That is a cruel fact. Together, listening and measurements will always keep you on track. But if the measurements do not support what you wish for, maybe its best to return to the stone age and just listen to stuff?
It would be very interesting to compare your oscillator to an industry standard SC cut quartz oscillator in a double oven. We don't care about absolute frequency accuracy, just short term stability. This works in your favor. Most industry oscillators have a frequency adjusting input, and I'll assume yours doesn't have that feature. Another factor in your favor. The double oven only blocks air currents and temperature gradients in this case. Might be a benefit to the double oven compared to yours that I haven't seen.
-Chris
Posts like that are not helpful. Show some respect to your peers.
And, measurements are more sensitive than your hearing is. That is a cruel fact. Together, listening and measurements will always keep you on track. But if the measurements do not support what you wish for, maybe its best to return to the stone age and just listen to stuff?
Look this up and answer it yourself. How about any primary standards lab? They will be better than your oscillator. That's a fact, because if yours was better, you would be a rich man. At the very least you would be well regarded in the test and measurement world, and doubly so in the audio world. You would have been contacted by now by many high powered, interested parties from governments and industry. Doesn't matter if you didn't want to sell, they would seek you out.
It would be very interesting to compare your oscillator to an industry standard SC cut quartz oscillator in a double oven. We don't care about absolute frequency accuracy, just short term stability. This works in your favor. Most industry oscillators have a frequency adjusting input, and I'll assume yours doesn't have that feature. Another factor in your favor. The double oven only blocks air currents and temperature gradients in this case. Might be a benefit to the double oven compared to yours that I haven't seen.
-Chris
In-coherence defined. I see you half standing over your keyboard typing away in frustration. Please dear Andrea - you seriously need to calm down. Get a grip of yourself man. We are now trying to have a resonable discussion but all you do is flinging insults and confusion. Why are you so angry? If you hade been cool and confident, all these discussions would probably not have taken place at all. Are you so terrible unsure of what you are doing that you need to go havoc in the discussions?
The figures you stated above (e.g. -120 dB and "huge") are total guess from your side - has no foundation and has never been stated. Where do you get these things from? Your view of the discussion you are referring to, which probably most here don't know anyways, is a distorsion of reality. Dude - you seriously need to get a grip of yourself.
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You are mixing up 1 Hz and the Nyquist bandwidth. -148 dB in 1 Hz is about -104 dB in 24 kHz.
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Here is another deaf, to think that audio is made up only of measures is ignorant, there are hundreds of things that cannot be measured but they make a lot of difference.
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ligavro,
That was uncalled for, and inaccurate. If this is the best you can offer for a post, best just read.
Hi Andrea,
Your claims. You back them up.
While you are at it, calm down. You are only asked to provide things you should already know. Nothing unreasonable has been asked of you. You can make the questions stop by simply telling us what you should already know. If you don't, perhaps the community can help you figure these things out.
-Chris
That was uncalled for, and inaccurate. If this is the best you can offer for a post, best just read.
Hi Andrea,
Yes, really.
Your claims. You back them up.
While you are at it, calm down. You are only asked to provide things you should already know. Nothing unreasonable has been asked of you. You can make the questions stop by simply telling us what you should already know. If you don't, perhaps the community can help you figure these things out.
-Chris
Maybe, I don't know, what's on the X and Y axis? Is this a phase noise measurement or the spectrum of a 400Hz signal, zoomed and normalized to it's carrier frequency?
Except to prove you can hear something that according to measurements doesnt exist or should be impossible to hear, IOW settle the decades old argument of sound quality vs measurements.
It is a fair question, but a very big one.
Pay attention 007! Even I got that
I think if one participates in a discussion, one need to see to that one interpret what is posted in a correct way. Blaming ongoing other work etc is no excuse. Postpone posting if you are in a rush - topic is semi-advanced so need a bit of concentration perhaps....
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Next listening review of Andrea's clock (4)
Hi Andrea,
I just wrote up the further review & tests with the Andrea Clock ...
the-clock-reviews-4/
Hi Andrea,
I just wrote up the further review & tests with the Andrea Clock ...
the-clock-reviews-4/
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Your answer confirms what I wrote in the previous post. the "deaf" have to rely only on measurements because as I said, and I don't need to meet you to confirm, you are deaf. it's not a disease, it's just a lack of open-mindedness, a classic of engineers and derivatives. an audio system must not only sound good but must give emotion, it must "see" the music. you can take the best audio components, with the best "measurements" and in most cases you will have a mediocre system. your measurements do not take into account the environment, the cables, the type of speaker and what crossover it has. true, starting from a good situation is better, but again, it is a question of synergies. I ask you "experts" the difference between a 10uf mkp capacitor and a duelund or mundorf capacitor of equal value. at the level of measurements. or the difference between a signal cable from a few euros Amazon and an audioquest earth at 1000 € always at an instrumental level, tell me or you from the top of your intelligence. teach me something, you buy an amplifier by measurement !? like put a McIntosh on some dynaudios !? waiting for an enlightenment ... Gavroche
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Hi All,
I am really sorry to see this level of "support" for the effort of Andrea (could be anyone else). This forum is supposed to support the development one can't do alone by contribution of the other members. It is not a contest.
Please if you can't contribute don't pollute the tread.
I have not seen any other member doing similar work, so please let Andrea do his thing, If anyone thinks they can do better, please do so and we will gladly follow that project too.
I am too stupid to contribute but smart enough not to ruin it for others.
I am really sorry to see this level of "support" for the effort of Andrea (could be anyone else). This forum is supposed to support the development one can't do alone by contribution of the other members. It is not a contest.
Please if you can't contribute don't pollute the tread.
I have not seen any other member doing similar work, so please let Andrea do his thing, If anyone thinks they can do better, please do so and we will gladly follow that project too.
I am too stupid to contribute but smart enough not to ruin it for others.
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