At the end we have to compare apples with apples. The extraordinary THD figures of the purify are a matter of open loop gain in the 20kHz region and specially a matter of multipole feedback compensation network. I am quite certain that Bruno Putzey is capable to design an A/B amp that outperforms his class D-designs. All in all there is no evidence for a general rule claiming class-d may outperforms class A/B.
No but I don’t understand how someone could DIY a better implementation of the 3251 chip with integrated power supply than Icepower has done for $68 retail, in lots of 20. Even if you count your time for free, the parts alone will cost more.Certainly a TPA3251 cannot compete with the purify, did you expect something different?
Why would you make a class AB amp these days? Larger size? Less efficiency? Higher BOM? Nostalgia maybe, but not for any practical reason.At the end we have to compare apples with apples. The extraordinary THD figures of the purify are a matter of open loop gain in the 20kHz region and specially a matter of multipole feedback compensation network. I am quite certain that Bruno Putzey is capable to design an A/B amp that outperforms his class D-designs. All in all there is no evidence for a general rule claiming class-d may outperforms class A/B.
Or just build a home theater with active 3-ways crossovers on all the speakers. One can easily use up close to all 40 channels of amplifications. It appears that the 200AS2 has a 300W power supply, and the 100AS2 only has a 100W power supply. I would pay the minimal extra and get the 200AS2.Since this is a DIY forum, the best value for a budget class D amp is either the Icepower 100 or 200as modules. Probably outlast all this Chinese stuff as well. Top quality parts, and designed for 24/7 operation for many years.
Get 20 people together on a group buy and they’re $68 a piece shipped for the 100AS2
https://icepower.dk/buy/as-series/100as2/
$78 for the 200AS2
https://icepower.dk/buy/as-series/200as2/
Practically, I can see some want to build class A amps for compression drivers.Why would you make a class AB amp these days? Larger size? Less efficiency? Higher BOM? Nostalgia maybe, but not for any practical reason.
Why? No class A or AB amps perform better than the Purifi’s.Practically, I can see some want to build class A amps for compression drivers.
That’s still 28dB worse. And what’s the power level of the amp at 1%THD+N/4R?So I measured my A/B latFET amp for comparison. I would say it is in the ballpark of the purify. Whereas the resolution limits of my measuring setup become visible...
Let’s not forget that the Purifi is a 450w amp at 1% THD+N/4R
In a true academic overkill design better results would likely be possible. Like bridge-paralleling dozens of ADA4870-based ultra-high loop-gain composites ;-)Why? No class A or AB amps perform better than the Purifi’s.
I agreed if you say that no high-power class A or class AB amps are measured better than Purifi. But, if I only want say 5W or less. I think one can do better than Purifi. Not sure if it will be cheaper than Purifi, however.Why? No class A or AB amps perform better than the Purifi’s.
There a some pretty practical reasons to do so:Why would you make a class AB amp these days? Larger size? Less efficiency? Higher BOM? Nostalgia maybe, but not for any practical reason.
Some years ago I inheritated a collection of Hitachi LatFETs that looked at me saying: Hey, layzy chap, build something with us!
And I always liked the idea of a special laboratory amp with these features:
-Lowest noise and distortion possible
-Bandwidth several 100kHz
-bulletproof
-oscilloscope-friendly clean output signal without any pwm artefacts
And size, weight, efficiency, costs - do not matter here
Did you ever try to replace old school filament bulbs by LEDs in a mains bulb tester?
Yeah but what’s the point? Will is actually sound better?In a true academic overkill design better results would likely be possible. Like bridge-paralleling dozens of ADA4870-based ultra-high loop-gain composites ;-)
We have reached the point where the electronics hardware of an audio system is no longer the bottleneck. The future advancements all lie in the realm of advanced spatial sound DSP algorithms, multichannel Atmos music, High res wireless transmission. And perhaps driver technology.
A little hint can be seen here:
https://www.futuresource-consulting...dio-megatrends-for-2022-tech-perspectives.pdf
I haven't seen any 5W or less amps that measure better. And if they did, somewhere else between the digital storage medium and the amplifier would likely become the weak link.I agreed if you say that no high-power class A or class AB amps are measured better than Purifi. But, if I only want say 5W or less. I think one can do better than Purifi. Not sure if it will be cheaper than Purifi, however.
Absolutely. And that is why nitpicking THD values of 20kHz in the vicinity of noise level is irrelevant to audio experience.Yeah but what’s the point? Will is actually sound better?
We have reached the point where the electronics hardware of an audio system is no longer the bottleneck.
I wholeheartedly agree.Yeah but what’s the point? Will is actually sound better?
We have reached the point where the electronics hardware of an audio system is no longer the bottleneck. The future advancements all lie in the realm of advanced spatial sound DSP algorithms, multichannel Atmos music, High res wireless transmission. And perhaps driver technology.
A little hint can be seen here:
https://www.futuresource-consulting...dio-megatrends-for-2022-tech-perspectives.pdf
And would add integrated amp+driver topologies, buzzword would be "optimized drive impedance profile" (vs frequency), in active speakers. The current standard voltage drive (and drivers optimized for it) is still a (small) brickwall left...
In the meantime I would be happy if my bluetooth handsfree would connect flawlessly with my mobile phone.When we can send 8 channel uncompressed 24/352.8 PCM (DxD) Atmos multichannel audio, in sync with 8k video, in real time, wirelessly from a smartphone, to an A/V system we‘ll be getting somewhere.
Sometimes there maybe some requirements beyond your point of view that are not covered by Icepower and similar industrial products.No but I don’t understand how someone could DIY a better implementation of the 3251 chip with integrated power supply than Icepower has done for $68 retail, in lots of 20. Even if you count your time for free, the parts alone will cost more.
Let me name a few that I put into my battery operated design:
-on-board low noise +-/12V supply
-on-board 6.3mm output jacks
-ribbon cable port for various audio front ends
-auto shutdown after several minutes without audio signal
-auto shutdown on low battery voltage
-total standby current in shutdown mode <100uA
-ribbon cable port for programming/diagnostics
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