Revisiting some "old" ideas from 1970's - IPS, OPS

Yes, Ampliwire is a series of front-ends, and Slewmaster is an excellent option for the power section (OPS).

Ok. Assuming the total amp is a voltage source and a voltage-to-voltage converter then you have the problem to convert voltage to current otherwise it is not a voltage source. BJT is a current controlled device . With Mosfets the problem is not much easier as it is to charge the nonlinear gate drain capacity .
Ole tubes is different as they are charge controlled and the passive output transformer does the job.
The possibly best amp with BJT is a current to current converter as a current source.
 
Ok. Assuming the total amp is a voltage source and a voltage-to-voltage converter then you have the problem to convert voltage to current otherwise it is not a voltage source. BJT is a current controlled device . With Mosfets the problem is not much easier as it is to charge the nonlinear gate drain capacity .
Ole tubes is different as they are charge controlled and the passive output transformer does the job.
The possibly best amp with BJT is a current to current converter as a current source.

Well... if you look deeper into it, you will see that BJT is also a voltage controlled device. Its output current depends on the input voltage (not input current).

MOSFETs are also different from each other. HexFet ones - as you say - have got rather high non-linear input capacitance. But if you drive them from a well-designed emitter follower - you don't care.

Lateral FETs - capacitance is much lower and it's pretty linear - you can drive them directly from VAS.

So, in order to have a full amplifier, you need to connect a front-end (giving you all the voltage gain) to a unity gain buffer (giving you all the current gain). One of the good options (EF + HexFETs) is shown in the attachment. With +/-70-75V rails it will give you up to 250W of high-quality power at 8 ohm load.

The other one - mini Slew - is shown earlier in this thread. 100% BJT one will also work perfectly - original Slewmaster by Ostripper is a good example. If you use some other EF3-based BJT output section - just make sure an additional pole, appearing in this case, is properly addressed in order to avoid overall stability issues.

Cheers,
Valery
 

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Well... if you look deeper into it, you will see that BJT is also a voltage controlled device. Its output current depends on the input voltage (not input current).

MOSFETs are also different from each other. HexFet ones - as you say - have got rather high non-linear input capacitance. But if you drive them from a well-designed emitter follower - you don't care.

Lateral FETs - capacitance is much lower and it's pretty linear - you can drive them directly from VAS.

So, in order to have a full amplifier, you need to connect a front-end (giving you all the voltage gain) to a unity gain buffer (giving you all the current gain). One of the good options (EF + HexFETs) is shown in the attachment. With +/-70-75V rails it will give you up to 250W of high-quality power at 8 ohm load.

The other one - mini Slew - is shown earlier in this thread. 100% BJT one will also work perfectly - original Slewmaster by Ostripper is a good example. If you use some other EF3-based BJT output section - just make sure an additional pole, appearing in this case, is properly addressed in order to avoid overall stability issues.

Cheers,
Valery

That schematic might turn into a complete single board amplifier channel.:cool:
 
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Can you add identifiers where crossing traces are linked? To differentiate from crossing traces that are not linked !

Andrew, I hope, this one looks better.
Jeff - it's from Multisim, presenting it even worth than Diptrace does :D
Yes, it can be a good single-board amplifier :cool:

Cheers,
Valery
 

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Well... if you look deeper into it, you will see that BJT is also a voltage controlled device. Its output current depends on the input voltage (not input current)./
That is not correct see for ex. Physics of Semiconductor Devices. BJT are current multipliers. But that is academic. One can current-drive BJTs as well as voltage drive, voltage drive is - naturally- faster as the base-emitter charge after turn-off of the drive voltage is shorted by the zero impedance of the voltage source. But current drive is very linear.
So the problem with the BJT OPS connected to ampliwire frontend is the compensation - which may be designed in a Spice model.
Hopefully.
 
Apparently marrying frontend with some BJT OPS is not an easy affair. I do not have the Spice models for the BJTs of the schematic so ...but i do not think that is a big problem.
I never simulate with real load but always with a proven model of a simple two way speaker with passive crossover. Proven means the complex impedance vs frequency of the real device is matched very well by its simulation.
Why not redesign the frontend as a "discrete Opamp?".
 
Apparently marrying frontend with some BJT OPS is not an easy affair. I do not have the Spice models for the BJTs of the schematic so ...but i do not think that is a big problem.
I never simulate with real load but always with a proven model of a simple two way speaker with passive crossover. Proven means the complex impedance vs frequency of the real device is matched very well by its simulation.
Why not redesign the frontend as a "discrete Opamp?".

Hi friend,

Pehaps you would be int6in reading through the Slewmaster thread and see just how many different IPS sections were happily married to the the 3ef BJT OPS. I would certainly not call it a tough affair. If will make you happy I will gladly hook any of these IPS up to my Slewmaster 5 pair BJT OPS and post some sine and square waves.

Blessings, Terry