It doesn't matter much which one you look at though, here's VI:
https://www.stereophile.com/content...gnature-sc-vi-loudspeaker-measurements-part-2
(I was trying to find the right one, and only the impedance plot really changes from one to the next
)
If I look at the time frame, it has to be the IV, IV-a the V or the VI. The I is too small.
https://www.stereophile.com/content...gnature-sc-vi-loudspeaker-measurements-part-2
(I was trying to find the right one, and only the impedance plot really changes from one to the next
)If I look at the time frame, it has to be the IV, IV-a the V or the VI. The I is too small.
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Jumping right into the deep end of the vipers nest
His combination of passion, opinion and lack of basic understanding are a terrible mix.
Hahaha, true!
But as I once heard in a movie: There's always someone watching...
So the information spilled may not totally be in vain...
I did receive a dm that made it a worthwhile effort. Put a big smile on my face.
(not from Benny by the way)
P.S. I knew what I was getting into, I had been reading along for quite a while out of curiosity...
But as I once heard in a movie: There's always someone watching...
So the information spilled may not totally be in vain...
I did receive a dm that made it a worthwhile effort. Put a big smile on my face.
(not from Benny by the way
)P.S. I knew what I was getting into, I had been reading along for quite a while out of curiosity...
Finally added real web space to my site: https://www.vandermill-audio.nl/
It used to run on one of my other web sites, making it horrible to read on mobiles etc. Still waiting on news from Scan Speak,
won't hold my breath though. Updating the site, adding some stuff etc. could be a good way to spend some of my spare time.
There's so much more to write about, but how far am I willing to go with that? Would there even be an interest?
Most of it is in this thread already, though the length of this thread alone doesn't make it all easy to find.
We'll see what I end up doing...
It used to run on one of my other web sites, making it horrible to read on mobiles etc. Still waiting on news from Scan Speak,
won't hold my breath though. Updating the site, adding some stuff etc. could be a good way to spend some of my spare time.
There's so much more to write about, but how far am I willing to go with that? Would there even be an interest?
Most of it is in this thread already, though the length of this thread alone doesn't make it all easy to find
.We'll see what I end up doing...
Serves me right trying to type a reply on my mobile...
Couldn't see a difference between I or l.
Thanks guys,
I miss the spare time alone with the Stereo, because I do have so many more ideas I should be testing.
I did some testing of my ambience mix. I even tried a few standard up-mixes, but clearly they weren't meant for
this goal. Basically I'm still trying to recreate a bigger, better room, meaning it should look like real reflections
of whatever is playing up front. The L-R and R-L that's usually used isn't enough and reason why I changed that
long ago. But I can't help but think more could be done. The one I would have loved to try is Logic 7. But not
enough to buy an old apparatus that had it (hardware). I just never seen it released as a vst.
I think that for music, this could have been a very welcome add on. (created by David Griesinger) It seems like
it was abandoned completely.
Anyway, still working on some simple ideas to further enhance the back-drop. However subtle it may be.
It's the part that makes you "feel" you are there, the envelopment and sheer atmosphere. Where a room usually
detracts from the music, a good room can actually add new layers. Without detracting from the music. The sole
purpose of the Haas kicker.
I miss the spare time alone with the Stereo, because I do have so many more ideas I should be testing.
I did some testing of my ambience mix. I even tried a few standard up-mixes, but clearly they weren't meant for
this goal. Basically I'm still trying to recreate a bigger, better room, meaning it should look like real reflections
of whatever is playing up front. The L-R and R-L that's usually used isn't enough and reason why I changed that
long ago. But I can't help but think more could be done. The one I would have loved to try is Logic 7. But not
enough to buy an old apparatus that had it (hardware). I just never seen it released as a vst.
I think that for music, this could have been a very welcome add on. (created by David Griesinger) It seems like
it was abandoned completely.
Anyway, still working on some simple ideas to further enhance the back-drop. However subtle it may be.
It's the part that makes you "feel" you are there, the envelopment and sheer atmosphere. Where a room usually
detracts from the music, a good room can actually add new layers. Without detracting from the music. The sole
purpose of the Haas kicker.
Hi Wesayso,
What makes Logic 7 appeal to you? A plug in/processing in it?
Yes it was dropped on pc... something like 6 month after i invested 800euros in it around 2000...
Edit: ah ok... two products shared same name! Emagic ( now Apple) Logic ( a very fine DAW) and an Harmann processor named Discrete Logic7. Of course i talked about the first... and you were refering to the second.
What makes Logic 7 appeal to you? A plug in/processing in it?
Yes it was dropped on pc... something like 6 month after i invested 800euros in it around 2000...
Edit: ah ok... two products shared same name! Emagic ( now Apple) Logic ( a very fine DAW) and an Harmann processor named Discrete Logic7. Of course i talked about the first... and you were refering to the second.
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For one thing: it was made by David Griesinger, who has been a large influence on my current experiments. His work on rooms and
our perception is impressive to say the least. He's the engine behind Lexicon's reverb algorithm's.
Plus I've read favorable reviews of Logic 7 for music use, one of few up-mixing tools that seemed to do it right. At least, that's what
I read. I haven't heard it but a long time ago, a fellow named Andy Wehmeijer from JBL at the time has written a lot about it on
Car forums as it was part of an in-car solution from JBL. He also talked at length about his own install in a MPV Van.
If it's as good as I think it might be? I don't know. It's main purpose was to make use of all the research from Griesinger to be able to
add envelopment and sense of space extracted from even 2 channel music. One of the key ingredients was phase steering and higher
separation of the back channels compared to what was used at the time.
What I'm doing is mixing what I know and have learned from that research (what does what for perception) with the experiments and
theory of reflections filling in cross talk dips. And it works, together with my mid/side EQ scheme's. It is fun, exiting and entertaining,
but hey, (even) more separation would be a welcome experiment as well!
our perception is impressive to say the least. He's the engine behind Lexicon's reverb algorithm's.
Plus I've read favorable reviews of Logic 7 for music use, one of few up-mixing tools that seemed to do it right. At least, that's what
I read. I haven't heard it but a long time ago, a fellow named Andy Wehmeijer from JBL at the time has written a lot about it on
Car forums as it was part of an in-car solution from JBL. He also talked at length about his own install in a MPV Van.
If it's as good as I think it might be? I don't know. It's main purpose was to make use of all the research from Griesinger to be able to
add envelopment and sense of space extracted from even 2 channel music. One of the key ingredients was phase steering and higher
separation of the back channels compared to what was used at the time.
What I'm doing is mixing what I know and have learned from that research (what does what for perception) with the experiments and
theory of reflections filling in cross talk dips. And it works, together with my mid/side EQ scheme's. It is fun, exiting and entertaining,
but hey, (even) more separation would be a welcome experiment as well!
Reading around, there are a number of plugins that are trying to emulate upmixing, but how good do they sound?
Well, that's why they have demos! Maybe you could give them a little run and hear how they fare?
Found these three:
Waves DTS Neural
https://www.waves.com/plugins/dts-neural-surround-upmix
Nugen Halo
https://nugenaudio.com/haloupmix/
Penteo 360
https://www.perfectsurround.com/?gc...WhwbMRbRCZOu8KpUKbf1aN-FzmzI7ZZhoCVUwQAvD_BwE
Well, that's why they have demos! Maybe you could give them a little run and hear how they fare?
Found these three:
Waves DTS Neural
https://www.waves.com/plugins/dts-neural-surround-upmix
Nugen Halo
https://nugenaudio.com/haloupmix/
Penteo 360
https://www.perfectsurround.com/?gc...WhwbMRbRCZOu8KpUKbf1aN-FzmzI7ZZhoCVUwQAvD_BwE
Those I do know.
Haven't played with all yet, but I have tried two of them. So far it didn't match my own preferences.
But hey, I didn't try each and every setting available. More testing would be required, but after a brief
stint with the one I liked most I went back to my own prior settings.
Haven't played with all yet, but I have tried two of them. So far it didn't match my own preferences.
But hey, I didn't try each and every setting available. More testing would be required, but after a brief
stint with the one I liked most I went back to my own prior settings.
I hoped to have an undisturbed listening session, trying out some small tweaks. I did have the house to myself for an hour.
What do you know? Another failed driver, in my right channel, primary unfiltered group. (5 drivers silent)
This time I'll wait for the 10F's to arrive, not opening it back up again before they are here and cut to size.
What do you know? Another failed driver, in my right channel, primary unfiltered group. (5 drivers silent)
This time I'll wait for the 10F's to arrive, not opening it back up again before they are here and cut to size.